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    Does Music Today Suck??

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    Just my 2cents- (inspired from Superbowl Halftime show thread)

    But music nowadays SUCKS!!!

    Prince comes from a time where real musicians made music. Business men make music now and you can hear the difference. Hip hop while incredibly powerful in its own right in 2007 is not the same hip hop that we listened to in the 80's and 90's. There are a few artists trying hard to bring back the Hip hop that most of us might call "conscious" rap. Artists like Common, Kayne West and The Roots push to bring back hip hop with some relevance, but with the industry being run the way it is we get sonically bombed by the "I got this and that, Gucci, cars, ho's" rap. Which is entertaining to a degree, but is really selling hip hop short.

    By all appearances the general variety of music choices has disappeared, All of us have experienced skimming thru the radio stations and hearing the same 5 songs (almost in the same rotation order). And it is not just Hip Hop, all music is going thru this process, however with the commercialism of Hip Hop, it is far more obvious to the average consumer.

    Rock music seems to be making a bit of a comeback- groups like Hinder, My Chemical Romance, etc- are delivering some good material. And thanks to the internet artist that would have remained stuck in their basements are getting their material out. But in the end the "business" of the industry will have to bring back the musicians, poets, writers, back to the table to keep things going.

    What I like to listen to:

    Prince (I am a fan, got almost all his CD's) , Hinder, Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Jay Z, Nas, Fleetwood Mac, Celia Cruz, Marc Anthony, Luis Miguel, Eminem, 50 Cent, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Alicia Keys, Nelly Furtado, Ella Fitzgerald, Dizzy Gillespie, Frankie Ruiz, Jadakiss, Faith Hill, Tricia Yearwood, Johnny Cash, James Brown, Anita Baker (WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO HER), Luther Vandross, Jose Alberto "EL CANARIO", Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, LENNY KRAVITZ,

    **PLEASE NOTE- I got all this on CD's I purchased before Itunes, Napster, ripping and burning even existed .

    Who remembers staying up all night on weekends trying to "TAPE" your favorite song from the radio ?, and getting mad when the DJ you to jump in half way thru to plug the station- LOL**

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    You hit it on the head with this arguement. The commercialism of some music has really taken away from the artistry of music is supposed to be about. Unfortunately this a money run business these days, and frankly, crap sells. I remember making mix tapes in my basement off the radio. Now, I look at many forms of media to find good artists, but its not easy. I could go on and on about this, but let's really try to push the good influential music that some mainstream and underground artists are making. I find it so hard to listen to the radio these days, maybe its my location but I'm really tired of hearing pop and ghetto rap.

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    I miss "real" music as well I grew up in Chicago so the music I listened was always pretty diverse...I'm 32 so I remember the "radio" tapes with the tissue stuffed in the recording slots lol, and hip-hip is in such a sad state of denial, everyones a kingpin with no criminal records. I really miss real rock & roll as well, Metallica used to rock! If it's not an artist I believe in I can't listen to it. I enjoy T.I,Scarface,Green Day,Guy,Metallica,Young Jeezy,Ugk,Jagged Edge,Rick Ross, to name a few I mean damn what "DID" happen to the real music??

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    There's still "real" music, plenty of it even ..just look elsewhere than MTV or the radio...

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    Underground in NYC is filled with talent. Been to a few shows with complete unknowns who tear the roof of the place. I find myself walking out at the end of the night thinking "Why aren't these people signed to major deal???"

    Einherjer is right- you have to look elsewhere, it annoying listening to radio now a days.

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    cant stand music today. it's a circus more than art now. how many fingers can have diamond rings on it and how black and sad can i make my face look, i hope that intern finished my new song, my album is due tomorrow.... etc.
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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    Well I guess that depends on which one of his singles you want to base his career on. "We don't care, All falls down, Jesus walks, Through the wire, to name a few were pretty good consious songs, but he can throw a stinker out every now and then.

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    A couple of other points...A couple years back, certain large record companies decided to dictate what an album can sell for. They were going to record stores and saying 'You cannot sell an album for less than $XX.OO.' regardless of what the wholesale price was, these record stores could not sell albums for less then the dictated price or they would lose the business of said record company. which is why we started seeing a lot of 20.00 CD's. At the same time, the RIAA was trying to make it illegal to download ANY music content over the internet for free. At first, it was like no crap! But then as you read into it, they meant ANY music. If I wanted to post some of my bands music on our website it would be illegel to allow anyone to download it for free. This was an attempt to get rid of competition by the lesser known, "unknown" bands. Fortunatly this motion was completely shut down.

    The entire popular music industry is completely corrupt. They don't want you to hear anything except what they want to shove down your throats. Its nothing new, but with the threat provided to them by the internet they are having to play hardball. And this is going to be a never ending cycle. The reason the record companies started dictating the minimum selling price a record store can sell a cd was to make up for lost sales. Sales lost to programs like kazaa, limewire, and so on. But the more they jack prices move up, the more people will turn to illegal music downloads. It just won't end. Someone has to give. Either they need to sacrifice and lower sales prices, or the consumer has to give in and pay super unreasonable prices for a cd. Who is it going to be? Personally...Not me!

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    Quote Originally Posted by fiz_x
    A couple of other points...A couple years back, certain large record companies decided to dictate what an album can sell for. They were going to record stores and saying 'You cannot sell an album for less than $XX.OO.' regardless of what the wholesale price was, these record stores could not sell albums for less then the dictated price or they would lose the business of said record company. which is why we started seeing a lot of 20.00 CD's. At the same time, the RIAA was trying to make it illegal to download ANY music content over the internet for free. At first, it was like no crap! But then as you read into it, they meant ANY music. If I wanted to post some of my bands music on our website it would be illegel to allow anyone to download it for free. This was an attempt to get rid of competition by the lesser known, "unknown" bands. Fortunatly this motion was completely shut down.

    The entire popular music industry is completely corrupt. They don't want you to hear anything except what they want to shove down your throats. Its nothing new, but with the threat provided to them by the internet they are having to play hardball. And this is going to be a never ending cycle. The reason the record companies started dictating the minimum selling price a record store can sell a cd was to make up for lost sales. Sales lost to programs like kazaa, limewire, and so on. But the more they jack prices move up, the more people will turn to illegal music downloads. It just won't end. Someone has to give. Either they need to sacrifice and lower sales prices, or the consumer has to give in and pay super unreasonable prices for a cd. Who is it going to be? Personally...Not me!

    Well said...

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    what ever happend to goo bands like 7 seconds and bad brains?

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    Well I'm 23 but raised on 60s and 70s b/c my dad was a DJ. The problem is that there are not any artist who make their own music with instruments

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    Re: Does Music Today Suck??

    I think music sucks today as far as ORIGINALITY...
    music doesn't suck today as far as CREATIVITY tho... (but I think it's the music producers & engineers to thank for atleast 75% of that!)

    Reason?... well in the 50's-90's (for conversation sakes...) music was being developed... new genres, new styles. Their was rock, country, blues, classical. You know, the simple, very distinctive types. Now theirs about 10x's that. NOW theirs so many VERSIONS of one style cause everything's been covered.

    Examples: THEN: Rock, NOW: Alternative, Metal, Thrash, Classic Rock, Heavy Metal...etc... Take "dance/club" music for another example... Theirs SOOOOO many versions of it. Where as before it was just dance, now theirs techno, trance, house, progressive, electronica, happy hardcore... etc...

    Now artists/bands are *REMIXING* their singles to cover more people & to create one song in different versions to cover more genere's & ultimately cover a broader base of people & places where their single/album is played. I think artists have to do this cause damn near every genre/mix of music has been created. An example: Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together". A great ballad, but it's been remixed by Peter Rouhofer as a club mix to cover the bar/club scene & then the rap/hip hop version with P. Styles & Jadakiss.

    I definately don't think AS MANY artists/musicians take the time and effort to PERSONALIZE, WRITE AND PRODUCE their own albums as much as they use to because labels are pushing their artists/bands to keep up with the change of fashion & music that's ever evolving. Artists/bands have been made into "eye candy" so-to-say just to appeal to an audience/buyer and to make the sale... a lot of the creative/time process has definately been lost.
    I think theirs still a lot of good producers out there which I definately think are the creative backbone of todays music. A lof of artists/bands are lacking the talent to put out a quality record themselves. Going to music school for Music Production and Business I know just how much pressure the producer/engineer gets for putting out a good-selling record and making the artist or band look good and sell.

    So overall, if anyone should be getting credit for todays #1 hits or high-selling first week sales, it should be the producer and on VERY FEW CASES the artist/band if they have actually written their own songs & done production work. Yea, a lot of music sucks today, a lot of it probably sucked 30-50 years ago too. But I think technology advancements have been a big influence of getting artists/bands & the labels to come at the public a different way for making a well produced album, getting sales and finally, the money.

    So theris my annalysis.... HAHA!

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