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    BESAdmin disappearing from Security tab

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    Hi,

    I'm running BES 4.1 on an SBS 2003 (Windows Server 2003/SP1) box with 10 users. I got a call from a user who reported that when he tried to send from his BB8830 he got a red x and the message "Desktop mail unable to submit message." I researched this and found several references to missing Send As permissions. I looked and discovered that half my BB users had BESAdmin listed under their Security Tabs in AD Users/Computers, and these users could send, but five users, including the complaining user, did not have BESAdmin listed under their Security Tabs in AD Users/Computers. Turned out that none of those five users could send messages. I added BESAdmin with Send As to all five users' Security Tabs, stopped the BES services, restarted the Exchange Information Store, restared BES, and all five could then send again.

    However the next time I looked--about an hour later--BESAdmin was gone from all five, although they continue to be able to send.

    The five users who did have BESAdmin listed under their AD Security Tabs continue to have BESAdmin listed, and I noticed that their BESAdmin Send As permissions are inherited.

    Why does BESAdmin keep disappearing from the AD Security Tab of the other five? How can I make the missing five users' Security permissions look like the permissions of the "good" five?

    Thanks in advance for any help/insight.

    GaryK

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    The issue sounds like you are setting it on a domain admin account. For this not to be a problem, make sure that you do not put a BB on any account that is a Domain Admin. AD Resets there accounts on a cycle to make sure that the account has not been tampered with. It is a security feature of AD.

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    That's kind of a problem, as these people need to be Domain Admins.

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    I would make the person have 2 accounts. 1 standard and 1 domain admin. That is how we do it where I am at now.

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    Thanks for the quick response.

    Just so I understand: You mean that when they need to function as Domain Admins they login on their Domain Admin account, but otherwise they login on their standard accounts?

    GaryK

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkarasik View Post
    Thanks for the quick response.

    Just so I understand: You mean that when they need to function as Domain Admins they login on their Domain Admin account, but otherwise they login on their standard accounts?

    GaryK
    That is correct, more secure that way too.

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    Thanks.

    If I remove set it up this way--IOW so the standard logins are no longer DomAdmins, do I need to manually add BESAdmin, or will AD do that automatically?

    GaryK

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    AD will do that automatically if you add a new account, it should also work to add it to existing accounts, but, I would add it anyway to make sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkarasik View Post
    Thanks.

    GaryK
    Anytime

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    Well, that wasn't the answer. AD restored DomAdmin and removed BESAdmin.

    Any other thoughts?

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    I don't see how that's possible, but it is MS after all. Please remove him from any groups that are nested in any of the built-in groups as all have this issue and then redo his inherited permissions. BESAdmin should popup in his account afterwards. Else you can add them redo the inhertitence.

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    I just heard from MS on this. Active Dirctory has a function where every hour it automatically rewrites/restores permissions for users belonging to certain groups. As these users need to belong to some of these groups, I have to study further on this.

    Thanks much for your time.

    GaryK

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    I would assume in that case it is replication. You should not be getting permissions from a group you are not in. Interesting though.

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    Is BESadmin a domain admin?

    The remove-after-an-hour symptom is Microsoft removing permsisions from domain admins when they shouldn't have them. That's why Domain admins can't have blackberries and send - MS thinks that admins shoudn't be able to have the send-as right. (IIRC) So, either those users are domain admins, or something is up with the besadmin account itself.

    Many admins don't like having to use two accounts - one admin account and one for everyday use (like email) - but it is a much more secure way to run.

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    Thanks,

    Turns out that it's not just DomAdmins that will exhibit these symptoms--it's members of several of what MS calls "Protected Groups."

    GaryK

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