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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

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    i think iphone will sell more, apple will market it alot more heavily then bb + it targets a larger crowd of people....bb targets a general crowd so id have to say iphone wins this battle although bb isnt trying to compete with iphone

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    The Iphone wins this battle. I know in my Middle School at least half of the kids are telling me they will get the Iphone when it comes out....It appeals to a broader younger set...
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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

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    Apple will win in sales but BB is clearly the better phone.

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    Quote Originally Posted by andresaun
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    Apple will win in sales but BB is clearly the better phone.
    Amen

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    Iphone, sorry guys. That apple name is like instant $$$

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    if you ask people why do you chose a iphone over a BB 8 out of ten won't know? but i will my BB over the iphone even they will sell more.

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    Quote Originally Posted by andresaun
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    Apple will win in sales but BB is clearly the better phone.
    BB will win, basically because Iphone is only available on At&t, and BB will be available on every cell provider. Also, BB will have at least two or 3 different models out before the end of the Iphone. Iphone I believe will fail. Reasons, well it has already been stated in this forum.

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    iphone might outsell the 88xx...but thats only because the 88xx is only one phone in blackberry's good size portfolio of phones.
    iphone will not outsell blackberry as a whole if you include all their phones.

    I dont believe iphone can really break into the corporate market either..
    1- Too expensive for a company to be buying 100+ of these at once.
    2- Untested, unproven email system.
    3- If it does it will only hurt smartphone sales.(MS Windows Mobile sucks and the email sucks)

    The iphone will do well in the consumer market. The iphone after all is a very slick phone. And I bet it will be sold out for a while. On the other hand dont forget a $600 phone is still a special niche market, not everyone can afford to shell out $600 for a phone.

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    Well the crackberry over the I phone I told my friend whao wnated one that he would have to switch to cingular to get one He said screw that the iphone ain worth that much. I broke the brainwashing right there. See to the local apple comunity and in tech school I was known as apple anti-chist and Apple Satan. Lol

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    [FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New]to be honest guys that's really a bad comparison because the IPHONE is really a toy where the blackberry is a tool where it will kill the IPHONE in. screen wise for size the ipone wins and entertainment it will also win; as for everyday use the blackberry is will kill the IPHONE. The email set up there is nothing out there that will keep up with it. I have had the nokia 9300, 9500, and the E61 with all blackberry running on them and few days later went back to blackberry also had a pocket PC phone with blackberry on it and went back to the blackberry. it seems the OS on the blackberry is so stable there is nothing out there keeping up with it. I think the blackberry addition of an micro sd card slot will help people a lot with files and music. as for I who just got the wireless bluetooth head set cant wait to see if it will work with the 8800. I cant wait to work out and have my blackberry on me and be able to answer calls or reply to an e mail when I get it .conclusion the phone is a toy that's all it is to compare it to the blackberry is a crime lol and an insult to all professionals lol [/FONT]
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    Arrow Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    Just posted, but I have no idea if it's legitimate...$299 for 4Gb model, $399 for 8Gb model with 2Yr contract with Cingular. If it is, look out!


    http://www.appleiphonereview.com/iph...plans-revealed

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuzzyP
    The Iphone wins this battle. I know in my Middle School at least half of the kids are telling me they will get the Iphone when it comes out....It appeals to a broader younger set...
    I dunno about that. I mean, the kids don't have the money to buy the phones nor are they of age to sign a contract, so it will be up to their parents whether or not they will get it. More than likely, most of them are probably talking smack and when judgement day comes, there will be several out there who don't wind up getting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by wclyffe
    Just posted, but I have no idea if it's legitimate...$299 for 4Gb model, $399 for 8Gb model with 2Yr contract with Cingular. If it is, look out!


    http://www.appleiphonereview.com/iph...plans-revealed
    That may actually be legit.

    Numerous wireless industry magazines and blogs are stating that the initial pricing on the iPhone was way too high. One went as far as saying it was "A $200 music phone".

    That being said, it will be interesting to see if the prices drop when it is launched.

    Some other points that were brought up was the fact that most insiders don't think the iPhone itself will be enough to lure away customers from Verizon/Sprint/TMO to Cingular if the price stays where it is, especially if they are going to have to pay a "buyout" for their current contract.

    Also as mentioned above, no proven track record, and the word is that the touchscreen actually is terrible and nothing to get too excited about.

    Will Apple sell the iPhone? Of course. And more than likely when they first launch you aren't going to be able to find them. It will be the "newest and coolest" thing on the market and people will want one just to feel special and brag about it.

    But will the iPhone be a threat to the "SmartPhone" companies? No way.

    The younger wanna be cool kids are going to be the ones going for this device, not the current BlackBerry/Treo users. The only BlackBerry owners I would be concerned about jumping ship if I was RIM are those who are currently Pearl owners, and how many of them are going to either jump ship from TMobile or extend their contract out (especially at first launch) to get in on this?

    iPhone will be in Starbucks. BlackBerry will still be in the board rooms.

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    How can the iPhone sell more then any legit smartphone?

    1. Apple isnt producing many iPhones initially
    2. Big corporate purchases deem a camera a no no.
    3. Big coporations will not pay for a camera if they will not use it.
    3. No MS Exchange/Novell/any groupware support? Apple hasnt learned how to play ball with enterprise sorry.
    4. Apple gets no respect in Enterprise period.
    5. The only company that uses Apple products in enterprise enviroments is APPLE.
    6. You cannot even use the iPhone at Apple's coporate sites ..... the camera has something to do with it.


    Only the rich indiviuals will purchase the iPhone .... the money is with coporate bulk purchases. Look at it this way, who makes more money, Toyota of phones or Porsche of phones?

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    Arrow Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    Ok, I've read this thread and several others, then stumbled upon what I think is the best article about the iPhone, and its future. Let me know what you guys & gals think:


    Opinion: Why the iPhone will change the (PC) world
    By Mike Elgan, Computerworld

    Steve Jobs’ iPhone demo at Macworld Expo in January rocked the house, stopped the presses and upset the smart-phone status quo. Yes, Jobs changed the world. Again.

    His keynote was so insanely great that five weeks later, we almost forget one important fact: The iPhone doesn’t exist—at least as a shipping product.

    Neither you nor I has ever so much as touched an iPhone. Almost everything we know about the iPhone came from one big sales pitch. The iPhone could be the greatest device every manufactured. Or it could be a horrible flop like the Newton. Either is possible.

    Jobs’ iPhone demo was so powerful that he actually made people believe that Apple invented a whole new user interface. In fact, Apple did something more important than that. The company took some of the best—hitherto obscure—UI research and put it into a product that you will be able to buy. It did the same thing with the original Apple computer, the Mac, and with the iPod.

    This is how Apple changes the world. It takes awesome research out of other people’s labs, polishes and perfects it, and then ship it as warm-and-fuzzy consumer products everyone can buy.

    Succeed or fail, the iPhone will be remembered as the first major step toward the third-generation PC user interface.

    Old and busted

    The first-generation UI was the command line. Apple didn’t invent it, but used the concept for early Apple computers.

    The second-generation UI is the icon-based, folder-driven, resizable overlapping windows interface that we use today. Again, Apple didn’t invent it—Xerox did. But Apple was the first major company to build it into a consumer product, the original Macintosh computer, which came out in 1984.

    Microsoft shipped its Windows Vista operating system last month, and Apple’s next update to OS X is expected by late spring. Although these platforms contain elements of the next-generation UI, they’re based on the same old folders, icons and windows paradigm from the 1980s.

    I don’t know about you, but I think 23 years is a long time to wait. I’m fed up and ready for the next radical leap forward in UI technology. You will, too, once you’ve seen the video I link to at the end of this column.

    The new hotness

    Tomorrow’s third-generation PC UI has already been invented. All the research is done. In fact, some elements have been independently developed by dozens of geniuses at multiple research centers, each taking a slightly different approach, but all embracing more than one of the major five elements of tomorrow’s UI. Here are those elements:

    1. Multi-touch: A lot of people now think Apple invented multi-touch—the idea that a touch-screen can respond to two or more points of control at once. In fact, researchers have been developing multi-touch technologies for more than a decade.

    Multi-touch on a PC user interface is as powerful as “multi-touch” in real life. Imagine if you had to go through life interacting with the world using just one fingertip. Dialing the phone would be OK, but picking up the receiver would be a problem. Multi-touch lets you ”pick up” on-screen objects, turn them around, resize them and do other useful things.

    2. Gestures: Current generation touch-screen devices already have rudimentary gestures. In fact, even the Apple Newton, one of the first personal digital assistants, supported gestures. If you circled text while writing on the Newton, the circled word would then be “selected.” That’s a gesture. Interestingly, multi-touch amplifies the power of gestures by an order of magnitude. For example, you can put two fingers on the left and right side of a photograph, then use the gesture of moving your fingers apart to instantly enlarge the picture.

    3. Physics: Second-generation UIs have folders, trash cans and documents that represent physical objects. But they don’t act like physical objects. They don’t move like they have weight, mass and momentum. When you slide a folder across your Windows desktop, it doesn’t slow down gradually, but stops the instant you release the mouse button. When you crash an icon against other desktop objects, they don’t scatter like bowling pins. If they did, your mind would more readily accept them as real objects.

    4. 3-D: Some UI objects in both Vista and OS X have 3-D properties. For example, you might be able to turn a document around and see what’'s on the back, or look at cascaded documents from the side, which helps you select and organize them. For the most part, however, current generation UIs are profoundly 2-D.

    5. Minimization of icons: Icons are the central element of today’s operating systems and represent folders, documents and applications in their closed state. When you click on them to open, the icon is still there, but clicking opens the item and loads it into memory. Next-generation operating systems will make items in their open state—not their closed state represented by icons—the central element. You’ll be able to shrink or grow just about any object almost infinitely in either direction, but size will be fluid, rather than binary—items will be shown in degrees of largeness, rather than either open or closed.

    The combination of these elements means that the UI practically disappears. And so does the learning curve for basic use. A child will be able to walk up to a third-generation PC and start playing around with it.

    Does all this sound familiar? These are the five core elements of the iPhone user interface. And they do not exist together in any other major product.

    The iPhone’s relevance lies not in its convergence of phone and iPod or even the mobilization of OS X, but that it’s the first-ever, mass-market computer with a third-generation UI.

    Here’s a link to a UI technology demo that combines everything: multi-touch, gestures, physics, 3-D and icon minimization. Fasten your seat belts, if you haven’t seen it. This demo makes Jobs’ keynote look as boring as, well, a Bill Gates keynote: Perceptive Pixel founder Jeff Han demonstrates tomorrow’s UI at the TED Conference in February 2006.

    In addition to the five UI elements, this demo also shows the hardware elements required to use it comfortably: A “drafting table” screen that’s low and at a comfortable angle; a large touch screen; very powerful 3-D graphics hardware; high-performance file retrieval; and massive, raw processing power.

    Breathtaking, isn't it? The best news, is that you’ll soon be able to buy a tiny one from Cingular.

    But will the desktop version of this third generation UI come from Apple, or Microsoft?

    My prediction: Both, and maybe Google will offer a variant as well. Time will tell. The important thing is that the direction of the UI is clear. And it’s truly, some might say insanely, great.

    [Mike Elgan is a technology writer and former editor of Windows Magazine. He can be reached at his blog.]

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    Re: 88xx vs. Iphone, which one will sell more?

    wyclffe...wow that's a long post...too much for me to read...But as long as it says the iPhone isn't all it's cracked up to be, I'm all for it!

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