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    Y i luv my BB & India Might not get to enjoy

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    Access denied, that's what RIM told Indias goverment according to This article in yahoo news and it also has some good information on the deal between india's gov and RIM's arguement y they can't hand over access to encrypted data of customers.

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    NEW DELHI: Inability on part of the Canada-based firm Research In Motion (RIM), the vendor of BlackBerry' smartphones, to allow Indian security agencies to read messages or e-mails of its users is likely to further complicate matters, and could even lead to scrapping of BlackBerry services in the country.

    According to RIM: "The BlackBerry security architecture for enterprise customers is based on a symmetric key system whereby the customers create their own key and only the customer ever possesses a copy of his encryption key.

    "RIM does not possess a master key,' nor does any back door' exist in the system that would allow RIM or any third party to gain unauthorised access to the key or corporate data.

    "The BlackBerry security architecture for enterprise customers is purposefully designed to exclude the capability for RIM or any third party to read encrypted information under any circumstances. RIM would simply be unable to accommodate any request for a copy of a customer's encryption key since at no time does RIM, or any wireless network operator, ever possess a copy of the key," the company has said.

    RIM's reply comes after the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) asked the Canadian firm to allow it and Indian security agencies access to messages and e-mails transferred through its system. After objections from the security agencies, the Union Home Ministry had asked DoT to ask RIM to provide the master key' so that it could access the contents transferred over the handheld device.

    Stating that the BlackBerry security architecture was also purposefully designed to perform as a global system independent of geography, RIM said the location of data centres and the customer's choice of wireless network were irrelevant factors from a security perspective since end-to-end encryption was utilised and transmissions were no more decipherable or less secure based on the selection of a wireless network or the location of a data centre. "All data remains encrypted through all points of transfer between the customer's BlackBerry Enterprise Server and the customer's device [at no point in the transfer is data decrypted and re-encrypted]."

    "RIM understands and respects the concerns of governments. RIM operates in over 135 countries today and provides a security architecture that has been widely scrutinised over the last nine years and has been accepted and embraced by security-conscious corporations and governments around the world. Governments have a wide range of resources and methodologies to satisfy national security and law enforcement needs without compromising commercial security requirements," it said.

    Though DoT and RIM have been holding talks to resolve the issue, the recent advisory by the latter to its BlackBerry subscribers might force the government to take some harsh steps. This could include scrapping of the service in India altogether, said sources in DoT.

    DoT has been demanding RIM to set up its servers in India so that its traffic could be monitored by the security agencies, but RIM has so far ruled out any such possibility. According to telecom industry sources, there are over 4-lakh BlackBerry subscribers in India and their numbers are increasing fast. Leading operators like Bharti Airtel, Vodafone Essar and Reliance Communications are offering this service

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    Nice find, good to know our data is secure!

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    i read somewhere else that they gave in to the Indian govt?

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    I seriously doubt that'll ever happen.


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    I believe a lot of people were speculating this, but I have not seen any solid evidence of RIM giving in. RIM has far more to lose by giving in.
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    Let me see. All the data clears from one central location. Most of the customers are corporate.

    I think that even if India isn't getting it, others are. Like the US. This is probably an elaborate ploy to make others feel that their data is secure so that they start using their devices a bit more freely.

    I know that att is in bed with the wire tappers. Nothing is secure.

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    LOOK all the other countries what 134 have no problems with the way RIM sets up,if they dont like it,dont use BLACKBERRY then simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kolosus View Post
    Let me see. All the data clears from one central location. Most of the customers are corporate.

    I think that even if India isn't getting it, others are. Like the US. This is probably an elaborate ploy to make others feel that their data is secure so that they start using their devices a bit more freely.

    I know that att is in bed with the wire tappers. Nothing is secure.

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    Wire tapping is a whole different deal what indias government wants to be able to do is intercept messages after they have been sent. Correct me if am wrong but that's a lot dofferent than wire tapping I am sure if the government like the US does if they request a certain persons email etc they be able to get it but what they want is complete access to any email that is sent and that's why RIM is not about to give in or if not every other country is going to want the same access

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    Well from my understanding, there is nothing for RIM to give in to. They have developed a decentralized system of encryption that cant simply be revealed to a 3rd party for access. There is no way for them to allow anyone to read your messages. So unless RIM is flat out lying India is SOL.

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    i heard on the radio that RIM is going into talks with INDIA this week to talk, INDIA wants RIM to put up servers in their country, for monitoring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderduck View Post
    i heard on the radio that RIM is going into talks with INDIA this week to talk, INDIA wants RIM to put up servers in their country, for monitoring?
    yeah their suppose to meet tomorrow or probably sometime today since there on different time zone, but from what sources close to them says its going to be hard for them to come to an agreement.

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