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    Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

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    Hi -

    I have been a Treo 650 user for some time and am becoming increasingly frustrated with it. I have had a blackberry back in the day, the old pager style long before it had a phone attached to it so I am very familiar with the Bberry.

    I like the idea of the Pearl very much but have a concern and a few questions that are holding me back - I was hoping some one here may be able to help me out:

    [1] I understand that the Pearl has a limitation of only being able to reply from 1 e.mail address despite being able to check 10 addresses. i see this as a problem as I have 2 domains - 1 personal & 1 work. How can I reply properly from just 1 e.mail address? has there been a hack to lift this limitation or is there no way around this? This is a deal breaker for me.

    [2] I use iMap for my e.mail. Is that a protocol that I can use in setting up my e.mail accounts with my bberry? So that my bberry is just mimicking my e.mail accounts? deleted from the bberry deleted from my desktop and vice versa? No need for any additional software or servers etc. or does Cingular force some other convoluted way of doing things?

    [3] I was blown away at the expense of a Hawk Wing? subscription software of $60 per 12 month subscription to view .pdf's on the bberry. Is this the norm? I have never seen a piece of software on the treo cost more than $50... the average is $15... $60 is high unless it is a mission critical for a desktop app. Heck, my pdf viewer app on my Treo is a freebie. can anyone give me a quick run down on the state of 3rd party apps on the Bbbery these days?

    I thank you all in advance for the helpful input.... unfortunately no one has made me the perfect all in one smart device [Apple just failed me] and I have had it with my constantly resetting Treo. I am holding out hope for positive answers to the above to switch to the Pearl!

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    Quote Originally Posted by niknud

    [1] I understand that the Pearl has a limitation of only being able to reply from 1 e.mail address despite being able to check 10 addresses.
    I'm not sure about this, but I'll tell you how I do it. I route everything through Gmail. Gmail has the option to receive messages from other accounts, and reply using the appropriate address. I started out setting all my different accounts to come to my Pearl. It was too much trouble. I finally just set it all up through Gmail, and it works like a charm. It's invisible to me and the people I email. Not to mention, Gmail has the best spam filter I've found. I recommend this method to everybody.


    Quote Originally Posted by niknud
    [2] I use iMap for my e.mail. Is that a protocol that I can use in setting up my e.mail accounts with my bberry? So that my bberry is just mimicking my e.mail accounts? deleted from the bberry deleted from my desktop and vice versa? No need for any additional software or servers etc. or does Cingular force some other convoluted way of doing things?
    When you delete a message on your Blackberry, it asks whether you want to delete it from the handheld, the server, or both.

    Quote Originally Posted by niknud
    [3] I was blown away at the expense of a Hawk Wing? subscription software of $60 per 12 month subscription to view .pdf's on the bberry. Is this the norm? I have never seen a piece of software on the treo cost more than $50... the average is $15... $60 is high unless it is a mission critical for a desktop app. Heck, my pdf viewer app on my Treo is a freebie. can anyone give me a quick run down on the state of 3rd party apps on the Bbbery these days?
    Yes, Blackberry software can be insanely expensive. When I switched from Palm OS to Blackberry, I was forced to take a serious look at how I used my software. I found that I could do everything I really needed with the built-in software. All the other stuff on my Palm just amounted to clutter, confusion and wasted time--not to mention instability.
    You can email PDFs to yourself and view them in the email app on your Blackberry. They don't always render correctly, but it may address your basic needs.
    In the end, the Pearl really does represent the best smartphone type device currently available (that I've found--and I've done some extensive research, and experienced some extensive buyer's remorse) in terms of a compromise between power, portability and stability.
    My advice would be to get it and use it for a couple of weeks before you make any big changes to the included software. I found that I was changing my habits for the better--simplifying--and getting things done more efficiently. To date I have spent a grand total of $0.00 on third party apps (not that I don't have a handful of freeware apps). I say go for it.

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    I use to be a Treo 650 user from day one when they first released...two words for you from the wise....SWITCH NOW!

    it will be the best switch you've ever made. wayyy lighter, slimmer, sleeker, throw it in your pocket without feeling you have a rock in your pants. the OS is wayyy better then palm, palm and windows mobile just have wayyy to many crashes and issues as the operating systems are just so unstable. i've had tons of issues with my treo 650, during a 2 month period i had to switch out and get 5 treo 650s replaced....FIVE!

    when i got this pearl, its been so perfect, its still the hottest phone on the market, my girlfriend has the blackjack (another hot phone) but was rated less than the pearl on cnet.com and it has windows mobile 5 which hers is buggy. also, with that blackjack they give you TWO batteries, why? because in a day she will go through 2 1/2 batteries from normal use, minimal email usage, and minimal if any internet usage.

    as for me? i have great battery life, still is a battery sucker but not anywhere close to the blackjack, movies are great, i have apacolypto, james bond casino royale, fast and the furious tokyo drift, i'm always on my mp3s while sending emails which are blazing fast, and hop online to check out websites all day long.

    you wont be dissapointed....from a LONGGG time treo user, to a proud pearl owner. let me know if you have ANY issues with the pearl if you choose to go the "good" route

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    niknud,

    You can definitely send from multiple addresses on your Pearl. This is one of the features of BlackBerry Internet Service (BIS) 2.0.

    After you have setup the BIS system to integrate with your different email accounts, you can select which account to send from at the top of each message you send. It takes less than a second to switch between different send accounts. You just move your cursor to the "Send Using:" field at the top of the message, hold down the ALT key, and scroll the trackball. This switches you between the different accounts you have.

    Even better, the BB remembers which account you last sent from for a particular address. Lets say I always email Alice from my work account and I always email Bob from my personal account. After I email Alice the first time using the work account and I email Bob the first time using the personal account, the BB will default to the work account when I compose a message to Alice and it will default to the personal account when I compose a message to Bob. If at any time I decide to start emailing Bob from my work account, I make the switch once and after that the BB will continue to default to the work account for emailing Bob.

    It's small touches like this that make the BB the premier wireless communications device in the world.

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~For point #1, you can reply from any email address that the email comes in on. If you install the free bbreply app from Sourceforge then you can recieve an email that comes in on one account and forward that same email from another account.

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    Make the switch. If you are a TMobile user your data access fee will drop. (oops, just re-read your post, you're a Cingular user). I had to use my Treo the other day to download some files at work, so I dropped in my SIM. I felt like I had a brick in my suit jacket. You will be very happy!

    Be sure to give SureType an honest chance. It is a big adjustment at first. The less you look at it while you type, the better. You have to trust it at first, then you'll see how intuitive it is.

    Plus, you won't re-set the thing twice a day. You can learn Chinese as a second langualge in the time you'll save. In two months, I can count my re-sets on one hand. Beautiful!

    This site is another excellent reason to switch. I don't need no stinking technical support when I got all these nice folks willin' to help out a BBrother. Good luck.

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    wow - Thank you all for the great feedback. Nice to hear especially from those you have switched successfully from the ill fated Treo 650. This gives me great hope! Lots for me to respond to:

    Jason8888 - Great tip with the gmail work around if it becomes necessary. seems some below have other thoughts on how to do this but i'll keep this tip in my back pocket. Also, you make a great point about being easy on 3rd party apps - especially in the beginning - to ensure a stable environment. Thanks.

    bbpearlrox - Since you mentioned battery life - It sounds like you are really putting the battery through it's paces how long does the standard battery last you? A full day? I am concerned about the small [Pearl battery comes with a battery 50% the size of the standard Treo Battery.] My guess is you use 2 batteries a day yourself?

    squished18 - I am going to have to explore the BIS a bit more in depth... something tells me this is an enterprise product... not for the consumer thus I doubt it will be available to me... can someone guide me here?

    mbarlow - I am totally open minded to Suretype and the Pearl keybaord. I loved the predictive text of my old blackberry. I have been looking for something similar on the treo for years... nothing out there even close. Blows my mind how no one has been able to come up with something that would be able to imrove text input.

    Thanks again to all who replied or will reply... with this info I will continue my research and head over to the Bberry / Mac bboard and start posting my next round of questions... as I have a whole other set of issues to deal with there... I have all Macs!!

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    Quote Originally Posted by niknud

    bbpearlrox - Since you mentioned battery life - It sounds like you are really putting the battery through it's paces how long does the standard battery last you? A full day? I am concerned about the small [Pearl battery comes with a battery 50% the size of the standard Treo Battery.] My guess is you use 2 batteries a day yourself?
    My pearl lasts about 2 days with extensive usage, actually more. I have not tried going past 2 days before charging, but it had like 1/4-1/3 battery after 2 days.

    Quote Originally Posted by niknud
    squished18 - I am going to have to explore the BIS a bit more in depth... something tells me this is an enterprise product... not for the consumer thus I doubt it will be available to me... can someone guide me here?
    If your company does not have a blackberry enterprise server, you want a BIS plan, a personal bb plan. You can attach then up to 10 POP or IMAP accounts to the bb (whereas with BES (enterprise) its all done by the IT admin for the company). BIS is for the consumer, and it is really easy to set up, either from your service provider's website (cingular/att in your case, i think) or from the device upon activation.

    I think you will like the BB Pearl. Why not take it for a "Test drive" and see if you like it. I think you have 30 days to return the phone to cingular, so you can try it, if you like it perfect, and if not, ditch it. (even though I think you'll love it).

    If you have any more questions, we're all here.

    -David

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    niknud,

    The terminology can be a bit confusing. BIS (BlackBerry Internet Service) is for consumers and is available to everybody. BES (BlackBerry Enterprise Server) is the corporate server will a lot of add-on goodies. BIS fully addresses the functionality you were asking about.

    squished

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~

    Good question, I have been a treo 600 and 650 owner.. I tell you what, its not the same. The treo has pros and cons, and so does the blackberry. Its personal preference.

    I opted for the pearl because its small, really handy, powerful little toy, and price is not that expensive.. No buying of apps, well I never bought any, a lot of freeware.

    And I wouldn't go back. I love BB interface now.

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~Confession Time...I have tried every treo 650,700p,700w,680,750 in search of the right device. Each and every time, I go back to BB. Treo's had great screen which got my attention but the OS is frustrating. BB is the only way, is you want a reliable device with cutting edge technology.


    just my thoughts

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    Wendy - an impressive confession... I wish I had the resources to try them all for myself it would make my life so much less painful... just try each one on for size... don't like it, throw it out... what did you do with each device each time you decided you were not pleased?

    Do any of you switchers use a hosted BES service to mimic the speed of a Treo's iMap e.mail functionality?

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    Just thought I would follow up and say I did purchase the pearl last week... and I absolutely love it! It blows the Treo away - far better phone, smoother OS, better browser... my phone has not reset on me once... the screen does not turn on for no reason... I am really pleased.

    However, i must say I am disappointed in one area - e.mail. the BB for all that it is designed to be an e.mail device just does not come close in this one area out of the box. So now I am looking for and working on tweaks to greatly improve on the standard e.mail cpapabilites / limitations.

    For example - why can't i view an html e.mail in the browser like i can on the treo?
    why do i have to look at all the ugly url headers of the e.mail... it makes the e.mail unreadable.

    The one address limitation within exchange is really frustatrting.... and the lack of direct imap interface whereby My inbox on my handheld mirrors that of my desktop... [this is a $30 program on the treo] with multiple domains and aliases with the ability to reply from several addresses was killer.

    I feel like I have stepped backward on the e.mail but have improved my smart phone life in every other way with the Pearl...

    Any suggestions in software and work arounds to manage ones accounts would be greatly appreciated. For example - Jason8888 above mentioned using gmail to manage all accounts so that replying to e.mails has the correct address on it [mimicking aliases] without creating an actual account.... ????

    I guess I am just looking for any non standard e.mail tips & tricks people are using so i can continue on the right track to fix the limitations I mention here or have not even mentioned.

    Thanks to all who post any great ideas!

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    If you get the pearl how much would you sell the treo for?

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    Re: Considering switching from treo 650 questions...

    You want my Treo 650? why? I actually need it for at least a few more weeks as I transistion my data... i have to carry both around with me till I have all the kinks out.... security blanket thing this switch is a big undertaking and far from complete.

    $50?

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