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    After reading this reply and some of PiMPSP's other replies I'm not sure if the point of PiMPSP's posts are to flame, or if they're just completely childish, but since he's saying I have a screw loose let's just get something straight: Yes the iPhone has been hacked. But so has Windows, OS X, Linux, Cisco devices, Google's Android, Tivo, PSP, Xbox 360, and yes - even both BES and the Blackberry handheld OS - which you're arguing are so much more secure than the iPhone. Here are a few links for more info on BES/BB hacks since I don't typically go around making claims without providing some information to back them up.:
    http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2006/0011 (DoS attack)
    http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2005/Dec/1015426.html (Remote code execution)
    http://www.securitytracker.com/alert...c/1015428.html (Remote DoS)
    http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2007/Mar/1017748.html (Remote DoS)
    Good one, those links dont show hacking on purpose. Its a proactive approach of PREVENTING HACKING. And posting info on hacking from 2005 and several BES upgrades ago doesnt prove a Blackberry has been hacked over and over again like the iphone. If BES admin doesnt want you to have a certain app on the BB, there is no way to get around it other than disconnecting and wiping the bb and possibly losing your job. Iphone attempted to do the same thing or should I say apple and it was hacked and apps were loaded......
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    Quote Originally Posted by JjcampNR View Post
    I know this is a BB site, I prefer RIM devices over the iPhone which is why I still use my 8100, but there are a large number of users out there who don't feel the same way. My post was directed towards those corporate environments with large numbers of users, or particular types of companies, where it's not always 100% up to the local admin(s) on what is and is not implemented. My environment is 4000+ users, global offices, and there are a total of about 25 technical IT people (not including management from directors to CIOs to President). It's not always what I want that becomes the law of the land - there are small discussions, global change control meetings, management meetings, and company wide senior management meetings to deicde on IT policy. Let's continue...

    After reading this reply and some of PiMPSP's other replies I'm not sure if the point of PiMPSP's posts are to flame, or if they're just completely childish, but since he's saying I have a screw loose let's just get something straight: Yes the iPhone has been hacked. But so has Windows, OS X, Linux, Cisco devices, Google's Android, Tivo, PSP, Xbox 360, and yes - even both BES and the Blackberry handheld OS - which you're arguing are so much more secure than the iPhone. Here are a few links for more info on BES/BB hacks since I don't typically go around making claims without providing some information to back them up.:
    http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2006/0011 (DoS attack)
    http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2005/Dec/1015426.html (Remote code execution)
    http://www.securitytracker.com/alert...c/1015428.html (Remote DoS)
    http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2007/Mar/1017748.html (Remote DoS)

    Perhaps you'd like to provide some additional information on how'why the iPhone file system is so absolutely and laughably insecure and why RIM's is inherantly more secure? People tend to try hacking the iPhone more than RIM devices because since release it has always been aimed at the consumer, unlike the Blackberry. More users, compared with the iPhone, currently get their Blackberry handhelds from their companies. Hacking a company owned device may have a number of consequences that hacking your own iPhone doesn't (like losing your job). So by your thought process if a device has been hacked we shouldn't use it for corporate uses. Let me shut off all my Windows servers, Linux/Oracle database servers, power off my network - and while we're a it the internet which heavily relies on Cisco equipment. I'll also send Google an email letting them know they should throw in the towel on their new Android OS; after all, since people have already hacked it, why bother developing it at all?

    I agree any iPhone connected to the internet is a security risk - but how is this any different than a BB with internet access? Blackberry devices also support Java which adds another target for security attacks, so I'm just not seeing how an iPhone is SO MUCH less secure compared to a BB that the mere thought of using it as a corporate device (especially considering the cost savings on BES/CALs and also the cost of supporting additional hardware/software since we already use/support Exchange for email) is so horrible.

    I completely agree with you. This has been one of my major points of contention when discussing the iPhone as a corporate device. I've used one and never been able to feel comfortable on the keyboard even after periods of heavy use. I also don't think it's nearly as portable as something like the 8100. The only thing that can possibly fix the keyboard problem (besides an actual keyboard) would be the addition of some really well implemented haptics and a slight re-work of the GUI. I'm not suggesting this is a feature to expect, it's just a possibility of how the keyboard problem could be worked out.
    there are several levels and different versions of JAva. You cant extract source codes unless you have the machine that actually digital signed that source from java. Since no one conveniently has a java complier sitting in their house it wont be happening....... It has nothing to do with a consumer device. Its MAC OS being hacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayroc View Post
    I believe T-Mobile is buying Sprint and Nextel so be aware that this might setback any os upgrades for them. i said "I believe" Im hopeing someone can confirm this.
    NO T-MOBILE is not buying sprint,then tmobile will be in the same boat a sprint/nextel,2 different systems,not very smart for tmobile,

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    [FONT=Times New Roman]RIM better get their act together. It’s been close to a year without a major update for my phone. I would love to buy some Bluetooth Stereo headphones but my phone (8800) doesn’t support them.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]A computer company (Apple) had released its first phone and announced major upcoming upgrades (sync w exchange etc) in the time I have been waiting for a simple upgrade for my phone that will allow me to use Bluetooth Stereo headphones.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]RIM needs to get off Canadian time and start cranking out upgrades and improvements. [/FONT]

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    hey i dont even get the updated when they come out, i have to wait for my company to release the updates before i can upgrade
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    Thanks theOutsider for the information.
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    Interesting, guessing that some of you missed my post on crackberry. From a seminar I attended on Thursday with T-mobile and RIM, OS 4.3 should be out next month (April) sometime, will include video recording and voice notes, many bug fixes. OS 4.5 will be out late spring or early summer with the rest of what we have been expecting, htnl email is pushed off to BES sp6 (no idea about BIS version). All this may just be T-mobile specific I guess......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdawg View Post
    Good one, those links dont show hacking on purpose. Its a proactive approach of PREVENTING HACKING. And posting info on hacking from 2005 and several BES upgrades ago doesnt prove a Blackberry has been hacked over and over again like the iphone. If BES admin doesnt want you to have a certain app on the BB, there is no way to get around it other than disconnecting and wiping the bb and possibly losing your job. Iphone attempted to do the same thing or should I say apple and it was hacked and apps were loaded......
    Yes, but currently the iPhone doesn't have IT policy management like the BB handhelds do, this will be coming with the 2.0 firmware. With the IT policy management via Active Sync administrators will be able to lock down the iPhone the same way Blackberry handhelds can be locked down - so that point will become moot at the same time the enterprise email becomes available. As for the links, perhaps you didn't read the remote code execution link - this lets someone remotely exploit a BB and run whatever code they want on the handheld. I don't have a clue what you mean by they don't show a "proactive approach of preventing hacking" but these are actual examples of a point of exploitation where a remote user can run any code they desire on someone elses BB.

    As for your point on people not having java compilers - that's just wrong. The Java SDK from Sun is the official Java development environment and it's a completely free download (and so is the NetBeans IDE) from the Sun site. In fact, I have the Java SDK on my machine right now and I'm not even a programmer. Having the source code is irrelevant when talking about hacking, Windows/Cisco/etc don't have source code available to the public and there haven't been any shortages of hacks on their devices. There's actually more complete and easily accessible information available on the Java APIs than on Windows, Cisco, or OS X APIs.

    I'm really done discussing this since I still feel my points are valid, and this discussion is off topic based on the author's original post. The point of my original post was just that RIM has been slow in responding to the threat of both Apple's iPhone and the slew of new devices that will no doubt be built on Google's Android API. While they may not be an immediate threat, if the features we've heard about and been discussing in the 4.5 (or whatever the version is when released) release is all that's going to be done, I think RIM may be falling behind (even if only temporarily). I'm not trying to be a troll, or even be contrarian to stir conversation. I love RIM's devices but I'm concerned about the pace at which things have been developing for the last year or so.

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    To much conversation about the Iphone. Lets talk about BlackBerry's!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PiMPSP View Post
    Theirs NOTHING here that hasn't been posted in one way or another either on Pinstack or any other site...Basically breaking down to all rumors with no definitive truth behind any of this...I dunno why anyone would be digging this or any other information on it for that matter at this point..theirs nothing here we have not heard before...and I have to sway with mike22 a little bit here as well...CDMA has had 4.3 for a while although not on the 8703 or the 8830...the 8130 devices came loaded with it...it may not be the "truly" finalized version at this point...also The Outsider....you posted it as being 4.3/4.5 whatever you wanna call it....buck up and say what it is at this point if you truly do have it....you have the ability to take a screen shot of the OS with no possible way of shall we say being "caught"...show us what version it is...4.3.1...or 4.5.

    PS: I'm in no way calling you a liar or anything like that, I have no doubt that theOutsider may truly be an "insider" I'm just simply asking you to provide with us all something to go by other then words on a forum...I could post that it will drop on ALL GSM carriers tomorrow...that don't mean ANYONE would believe me without some definitive proof...nor does it make it true.
    First post updated just for you 'lil buddy.

    If you happen to need more info, you can click here:
    http://blackberryforums.pinstack.com...archid=1731120

    The track record pretty much speaks for itself I would think.

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    BTW,

    I just threw 4 more pics up that I meant to post earlier.

    The main thing to show is the activity log. I didn't notice this on any prior OS releases, however, I wasn't really paying attention or looking for it either.

    Bottom line, you can go into your address book (or myfaves as you can see if applicable), and run a history report on all activity with that person (Email/Phone Calls/SMS/PIN Messages/etc).

    Found this much more convenient than going through and doing search all the time.

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    Very nice pictures. Thanks again theOutsider . It's very much appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theOutsider View Post
    We all know that Verizon and Sprint have gotten the shaft before when it comes to launching an updated Operating System (Remember how long it took you to get 4.2?).

    The release of 4.3/4.5/whatever you would like to call it, doesn't look any more promising.

    Today, the newest versions of the new OS were made available to various sources.

    Upon inspecting all of the Operating Systems, one thing jumped out to me. There was no 4.3/4.5/whatever you would like to call it for the 8703 or 8830 devices, however, every other GSM device was there (8700, 8100, 8110, 8120, 8300, 8310, 8320, 8800, 8820).

    Using a best guess, it seems as if you guys will have to wait yet once again, once this "infamous" Operating System finally makes it to the light of day.

    If anything makes it's way across my radar, I will obviously post, but these are "supposedly" the "final beta". However, that being said, I have personally noticed numerous issues already, which may or may not be accurate. I am going to re-install it and see if they persist.

    On another side note for CDMA users:
    1. I have heard very strong rumors that the 8330 will be launching on Sprint "the 3rd week of April". So, use this as JUST a guesstimate at this point, but I would say that would point around to.....April 20th.
    2. This is where it gets interesting. I have ALSO heard that Verizon will be receiveing the Curve BEFORE Sprint, meaning, if these estimates are right, we could see the Curve launching on Verizon within the next few weeks (not too sure how long of an exclusitivity period Verizon would have over Sprint. But then again, there is a small chance in hell that this is mis-information and that Sprint will be launching the Curve first, but I highly doubt that).
    3. Nextel Users....There is also strong rumor floating around that at the end of Q3 this year, you will be seeing a new BlackBerry. No word on model number, however, it is said to be built on the 83XX Series Platform, include WiFi AND GPS, and have Direct Connect, along with staying on the iDen network. That is however, if Sprint is going to be able to reach the summer deadline to keep Nextel up and running, before being shut down by the US Government.

    More information as it arises...

    BTW, please, do not PM ME or ask for the Operating System, as I am sorry, but I will not be distributing this software. I have too much to risk just POSTING this information, let alone actually distributing it. Esp. since PinStack forbids any sort of distribution of such.
















    How much free memory do you have outsider after loading this on your Curve??? Im so curious to know
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    Al I know is something good must be coming from RIM asap. The iphone announcement although not earth shattering was big for apple. And will be for sales. RIM knows it and so do we.
    I'm on Sprint and will wait patiently for whatever is coming...... Soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theOutsider View Post
    First post updated just for you 'lil buddy.

    If you happen to need more info, you can click here:
    http://blackberryforums.pinstack.com...archid=1731120

    The track record pretty much speaks for itself I would think.

    Thanks, greatly appreciated...and your track record proves it's self once again... mine can be found here...more pics below and before anyone can jump on it and say "those aren't yours"...ur right their not..they are Banthon's...but it add's to the factor that when mentioning and trying to prove a point in a discussion..pics speak louder then words..especially since their been TONS of rumors floating around forever with NO ONE bringing real hard facts to the table...other then the first breaking news from Joshua on BGR and the hands on with 4.3 that was posted on crackberry.

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