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    Question texting over UMA connection-- no data plan?

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    i looked through a few pages and i could not find the answer to my question, i was wondering if you get charged for texting over a wifi connection, im with t-mobile, i have no data plan, i have a wifi connection, works perfectly, i do have 300 texts per month, will the 300 be used up while i use UMA connection (wifi) or do i have unlimited, also do we get unlimited calls while using wifi, even if you do not have the service, just wondering because wifi connection has nothing to do with the t-mobile network, or so i think. thanks.

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    If you can actually do that with no connection to TM maybe. Problem is texts don't require a data plan. They run thru a cell network so unless you can do it with your mobile network radio off, I would expect to get charged for each and every one you send/receive.

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    alright, so i guess i would have to turn off the carrier network every time i want to text at a wifi spot, i suppose thats better than paying for every text, but in general if i ONLY use wifi, there is NO charge?

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    im starting to think that this is too good to be true, there is no way that im the only one wondering if its possible.

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    I'm pretty sure texts can't be sent over UMA. He's saying try turning off the carrier network and see if you can even send a text, let alone be charged for it.

    Ok I just tried it. I was able to send/receive texts with the mobile network off but I'm not sure if it would charge you or not as I have unltd txt. I would call up T-Mo and ask.
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    In answer to the second part of your question yes call made would be free of charge. Not sure about text though.

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    Actually neither is true. Your WiFi UMA connection is still using the TMO network, and they do know what your usage is on WiFI. So your text messages will count towards your billing.

    Also your phone calls over WiFi will count towards minutes used UNLESS you add on the unlimited WiFi calls option (I believe it is $10 a month).
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    You don't get billed for texting when you are going BB to BB, it used BlackBerry's network. I text my family on T-Mobile and friends on Sprint and Verizon using BBs and they don't show up on my T-Mobile bill. You must have their Pin to do this. I haven't text anyone on a non-BB so I don't know how that is handled

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    bb pin to pin, or going through bb mesenger is not the same as texting, its more like instant messaging and uses bb data which while your on wifi, connects to the blackberry servers and sends it via your wifi connection. Or sends it over your data plan.
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    So, long story short, you can't send messages through BB Messenger w/o a data plan and GaryF is correct that even on UMA, unless you add the HotSpot calling feature, you're still on the T-Mo network and calls are still counting against your minutes. He's also correct that the data plan and UMA have absolutely nothing to do with text messages. Those are totally different.
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    okay so in reality, the only advantage you get by having wifi on the blackberry, is that you can surf the internet for free, right, otherwise without the data plan it is still charged against u, unless you have unl. texts, and wifi also lets you use it for calling where you have no network reception, >>>correct?

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    Ok, if you don't have the data plan, you cannot surf the web on T-Mo or use BB Messenger. However, if you have a Wi-Fi connection, you can surf the web for free, but not use BB Messenger. You can only make free calls over Wi-Fi IF you add that feature to your plan. It's called HotSpot calling and it's about $10 a month. However, Wi-Fi and UMA have absolutely nothing to do with text messages, nor do text messaging plans have anything to do with web browsing or calling on your BB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikjay25 View Post
    okay so in reality, the only advantage you get by having wifi on the blackberry, is that you can surf the internet for free, right, otherwise without the data plan it is still charged against u, unless you have unl. texts, and wifi also lets you use it for calling where you have no network reception, >>>correct?
    With the addition of being able to make international roaming calls as if you were local to the states (UMA only), yes you are correct.

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    okay thank you, that answered all of my questions

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    OK to clear this up a bit more, SMS has nothing to do with WIFI, it is completely network dependent. When you send a text while on UMA its still going through T-Mobile's cell network. Example: the Bold 9000 has WIFI but not UMA, if you do not have a network connection but you have a WIFI connection, you can NOT send or recieve any SMS. A UMA connection turns your router into a T-Mobile router so that you have great signal. On the other hand if you are using DATA services, UMA makes it so that web browsing is super fast, downloads quick, AND if you are browsing using the Hotspot browser then you are not actually going the BB server but rather directly to the page. Also, if you don't have a DATA plan, being on WIFI gives you all the abilities of having a DATA plan, IE: BBM, IM, Web surfing, downloading, and emails.

    The advantage to having UMA on T-mobile phones is that 1) you get perfect reception when you are on UMA and at least for me, gives you signal where you might not have it(I live in a cellphone dead zone), and 2) if you pay for the Hotspot service, all the calls that origionate on UMA are completely FREE and don't count against your minutes.

    If you are traveling abroad like China or something and you are on UMA, T-Mobile sees your phone as if you were still in the USA and therefor all your calls to or from the USA are billed as they would be normally which can save you hundreds in roaming fees.

    Sorry for the rant, I used to work for T-Mobile :-)
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