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    Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

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    I would not go back to my 8700 because of the feature set of the 8300, but I do have several complaints. Maybe there are workarounds that I just don't realize.
    • The key lock is a real pain in the a$$. Actually the unlocking is the hard part. On my 8700, a double click of the wheel would always unlock the keypad. Now a double click of the wheel does nothing. You still have to press * then phone. This is not an operation easily handled without looking at the device, and it takes more time to accomplish. It is also hard to explain to someone borrowing your phone. Note: if you have a security code, double click will get you to the prompt for it, but it won't let you use a simple code like 0000. Even worse is that unlocking the keypad is at least a three key operation. before you do * then phone, you have to press a key to wake the screen. The * key is not recognized as the initial * when the phone is sleeping. Not enough? If you accidentally press the trackwheel when it is locked, you get a menu with the option to unlock (which does not work) and you have to exit this menu before pressing * phone. Now we are at 4 key presses to unlock. Argh!
    • Speaking of waking the phone, moving the trackwheel on the 8700 would wake the screen. You have to click the trackwheel on the 8300 or press a key. This is stupid. You shuold be able to wake the screen by MOVING the trackwheeel if the keypad is unlocked. At least this should be an option.
    • Locking is equally as frustrating. I press Alt-Enter to lock the keypad because I don't want to waste a softkey for this and finding the lock icon takes too long. However, regardless of how you choose to lock your device, there is a very noticeable lag between pressing alt-enter and the phone actually showing the owner infomation indicating the phone is locked - almost 2 seconds. You have to sit there like an idiot and wait for confirmation before dropping it in your pocket.
    • It does not ship with a holster. This would not be such a problem if it weren't for the keypad annoyances above. I had to buy a third-party holster to eliminate the frustrations locking/unlocking the device.
    • The media manager has no real dedicated keys. While listening to music you can pause/play using the mute button, but unless you are in the media application, you can't change songs. Unless you have the music player on a side softkey, there is no quick way to get into the media player. Even if you click the icon for it, you still have to select "now playing" to get to the controls. There should be dedicated controls and you should be able to see the now playing song on the home screen.
    • Videos stored on a microSD card are just dumped into one huge list in the media player. Even though I have my videos stored in folders on the card, the videos just appear in one list with no organization. With 100+ video podcast files, even with the find feature it is hard to browse your library.
    • You can't access files on the microSD card with the media player when the device is connected to your computer.
    • When viewing a large or medium sized video file, there is a significant lag between pressing a volume button (or any button) and actually getting any results. I have been embarrased many times after starting a video file that is unexpectedly loud, and not been able to stop it or reduce the volume in a timely manner. Sound leaks out of all openings of the device. so muffling it in your armpit does little good.
    • The device is down-right S-L-O-W when you put a few third party apps on it. I did not notice too much lagging when I first got the device, but as I added the essentials (google maps, Berry411, PocketExpress, OperMini) the device bacame much slower. Entering and exiting apps causes lags and the dreaded hourglass appears much more often. Not to mention the media player slowness indicated above.
    • I used to be able to turn wireless or bluetooth off or on with one icon click. Now the wireless icon controls both the cell radio and bluetooth, so each operation takes two clicks. Maybe this is theme controlled (I use the AT&T stock theme). Dumb.
    • Bluetooth headsets do not work with the media player. The media player defaults to the device speakers when a bluetooth headset is connected. Apparently there is a trick to make it work floating around out there on the forum, but I have been unable to get it to work with a Plantronics 640.
    • The media player maximum volume output with stereo wired headphones is poor and the bass is rather low.
    • It's a little slippery - fixed with a BestSkinEver.
    • Battery life does not live up to Blackberry standards.
    • Takes ages to reboot. I mean you might as well go boil and egg while you wait. It's ridiculous.
    There's plenty to love about the Curve, but that's for another thread...
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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~one point you may want to think about. If you could unlock the keypad just by rolling the trackball, you wouldn't be able to put it in your pocket. It would unlock every time you moved.

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    • It may sound counterintuitive, but set a password - one character would be enough, like the letter P. Then to unlock the device, just hit P[Enter]. This will bypass the Unlock prompt.
    • Hitting any key - or even the power button will wake the device
    • If you turn off Dialing from Home Screen under Phone --> Options, hitting the letter K will locK the device, and make many other shortcuts available from the home screen. I never understood dialing from the home screen. Then again, with 20+ speed dials, and dialing from emails, I hardly ever have to dial a number!
    • I can't disagree about the holster complaint. I've NEVER heard of a BlackBerry not coming with a holster. I haven't even seen an 8300 let alone seen what it's shipped with! (Hope you weren't ripped off!!)
    • When the Media Player is the active application, N goes to the next song in a playlist/folder, P to the Previous, [Del] will delete the currently playing item, [Enter] will pause/resume (if the pause/resume button is selected on the screen). It's not much, but more than just the Mute/Pause button!
    • Use something else to get the videos onto the SD card and use folders.
    • Only if you enable Mass Storage Mode when you connect the device. If you set the Media Card to Prompt when you connect (or disable Mass Storage Mode), you can access files on the SD card when connected.
    • Stop watching Porn on your BlackBerry (JK)
    • I can't say why your device is slow. I've had more installed on my 8800 without any problem. Pocket Express will drag the system down if you leave it running in the background, and when it updates.
    • It actually takes THREE clicks to turn the both On or Off - Manage Connections - [Enter] to turn On/Off - [Esc] to clear the Manage Connections pop up. Yes, it's more clicks, but I never use BlueTooth, so it's always turned off, and when you hit [Enter] when it says Restore Connections actually restores to what you had On/Off when you hit Turn All Connections Off which is pretty nice. Also, you can now go into Mobile Network Options and turn the Data Services Off - something you couldn't do until the 8800. A nice trade off I think.
    • I don't know about the BlueTooth problem you're talking about, but since the 8300 supports Stereo BlueTooth, maybe it's time for a new headset anyway!
    • Any combo device won't be as good as a dedicated device - a decision everyone has to make.
    • Use a napkin after eating that pizza - it won't be so slippery!
    • Have to take your word on the Battery Life, but maybe that's related to Pocket Express running in the background?
    • Agreed. Be thankful your job doesn't involve having to wait for it on a regular basis - it's AWFUL (but not as bad as a 7100!!).
    Hope you don't mind the kidding, and maybe found a tip or two that will make things easier.
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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by szumlanski
    I would not go back to my 8700 because of the feature set of the 8300, but I do have several complaints. Maybe there are workarounds that I just don't realize.
    • It does not ship with a holster. This would not be such a problem if it weren't for the keypad annoyances above. I had to buy a third-party holster to eliminate the frustrations locking/unlocking the device.
    • You can't access files on the microSD card with the media player when the device is connected to your computer.
    • When viewing a large or medium sized video file, there is a significant lag between pressing a volume button (or any button) and actually getting any results. I have been embarrased many times after starting a video file that is unexpectedly loud, and not been able to stop it or reduce the volume in a timely manner. Sound leaks out of all openings of the device. so muffling it in your armpit does little good.
    • The device is down-right S-L-O-W when you put a few third party apps on it. I did not notice too much lagging when I first got the device, but as I added the essentials (google maps, Berry411, PocketExpress, OperMini) the device bacame much slower. Entering and exiting apps causes lags and the dreaded hourglass appears much more often. Not to mention the media player slowness indicated above.
    • Battery life does not live up to Blackberry standards.
    • Takes ages to reboot. I mean you might as well go boil and egg while you wait. It's ridiculous.
    There's plenty to love about the Curve, but that's for another thread...
    • The pearl didn't come with a holster either, and I do agree it would have been nice.
    • As for accessing the microSD while connected to PC, even the iPod, and the Pearl before this, can not. At that time it is a mounted removable hard drive.
    • The media player has problems, yes, but remember this is something new for RIM - and it's not made for media center but for email with a secondary feature of playing media.
    • Agreed the BB's are slow, but realize it's only a 312mhz processor so it will get bogged down and overwhelmed quickly from more and more applications - and I'm sure the memory system on it could use inprovement as well.
    • As for battery, you sure you don't have extra things running in the background? I catch a few here and there on mine.
    • The power up time - awful !! This one I don't understand. It's 312mhz with 64mb of memory - even Windows Mobile devices that are 312mhz and 64mb are much faster (even the PPC 6601 with 128 flash rom was faster booting up) so no idea why other than maybe old poor coding.
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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by LaTuFu
    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~one point you may want to think about. If you could unlock the keypad just by rolling the trackball, you wouldn't be able to put it in your pocket. It would unlock every time you moved.
    Let me clarify: I don't want the phone to unlock when I move the trackball. I want the sreen to wake if the keypad is unlocked.

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • It may sound counterintuitive, but set a password - one character would be enough, like the letter P. Then to unlock the device, just hit P[Enter]. This will bypass the Unlock prompt.
    Nice try. It won't allow a one letter password.
    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • If you turn off Dialing from Home Screen under Phone --> Options, hitting the letter K will locK the device, and make many other shortcuts available from the home screen. I never understood dialing from the home screen. Then again, with 20+ speed dials, and dialing from emails, I hardly ever have to dial a number!
    I love dialing from the home screen. Just start typing a number or name - easy!

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • When the Media Player is the active application, N goes to the next song in a playlist/folder, P to the Previous, [Del] will delete the currently playing item, [Enter] will pause/resume (if the pause/resume button is selected on the screen). It's not much, but more than just the Mute/Pause button!
    That has nothing to do with what I am saying. My complaints is when the media player is running in the background. Why shouldn't I be able to skip tracks when I am browsing or typing an email?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • Use something else to get the videos onto the SD card and use folders.
    What are you talking about? I am using folders. I copied them using Windows Explorer. I have several folders on the SD card under the Blackberry\Videos folder.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • Only if you enable Mass Storage Mode when you connect the device. If you set the Media Card to Prompt when you connect (or disable Mass Storage Mode), you can access files on the SD card when connected.
    Good point. I guess Windows "owns" the drive once it is mounted.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • I can't say why your device is slow. I've had more installed on my 8800 without any problem. Pocket Express will drag the system down if you leave it running in the background, and when it updates.
    Manual updates only on my device. Doesn't matter... It's slow even after reboot.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala
    • It actually takes THREE clicks to turn the both On or Off - Manage Connections - [Enter] to turn On/Off - [Esc] to clear the Manage Connections pop up. Yes, it's more clicks, but I never use BlueTooth, so it's always turned off, and when you hit [Enter] when it says Restore Connections actually restores to what you had On/Off when you hit Turn All Connections Off which is pretty nice. Also, you can now go into Mobile Network Options and turn the Data Services Off - something you couldn't do until the 8800. A nice trade off I think.
    Huh? How is that better than two clicks on the 8700? Before you would click the wireless icon, then click the Bluetooth icon.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdellasala

    Hope you don't mind the kidding, and maybe found a tip or two that will make things easier.
    Not at all. Thanks for your input...

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    I currently own the 8800. I received it in the mail literally the day before the Curve became available to buy. Luckily I have the 30 day remorse period to decide if I want the 8800 or replace it with the Curve. My Step Dad saw my BB and wanted one of his own. I recommended he get the Curve since it was the cool new Blackberry that seemed to be getting good reviews around the web-- "Its the perfect balance between the Pearl and the bigger 8800."

    Well he got the Curve and I played with it for awhile (still want to try it more) and my first impressions weren't that great.

    The positive:
    Smaller size - narrower than 8800 definitely makes it feel more like a phone when you put it against your ear.
    Separated keys - right away typing with perfection versus the learning curve with the 8800's key design.
    [Camera] - isn't important to me but listing it anyway.

    Initial negative opinions:
    Cheap feel - its lighter but the plastic "feels" cheap compared to the metal like finish on the heavier 8800. The phone as a whole felt more plasticky and made for mass production while the 8800 felt more refined and business like. This is probably a bad analogy but the first thing that came to mind is the Curve is a Honda and the 8800 is a BMW.

    Trackball - This was a biggie for me. The two BB's don't use the same trackball. The 8800 has longer travel when you push down on it which makes it feel like a button. It gives you immediate response that you have actually pushed the trackball to select something. It took sometime for me to get used to the 8300's. I kept wondering if I was pushing it hard enough to select something. I eventually got used to it but prefer the 8800. Also the Curve's trackball makes a clicking sound that is mechanical and not software based. On the 8800 you can go into the screen/keyboard options and turn the click off. You can do this on the Curve, but it still makes the clicking sound. (I made sure I saved my settings). I also turned the Curve off to double check, and it still made the clicking sound.

    Lit keypad - I like how the 8800's keys light up the characters versus the 8300's approach--lighting up the whole key while the characters are black. But I guess the Curve's approach is more like a regular phone. It just gives the phone a cheap look to me. Once again just a personal opinion.

    No GPS - I really didn't think I would use the GPS on my 8800. But after having it for almost a month now, I was surprised how much I actually use it. Its also interesting to see satellite views of my current location where ever that might be. I definitely prefer GPS over the camera. I have a decent small 7 mega pixel camera for pictures.

    In the end I still haven't decided. I do really like how small the Curve is while still being able to do just about everything the 8800 can do.

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    To lock the keys I press and hold the mute button, to unlock the keys press mute again. Simple, eficent, and easily done one handed.

    If this was already stated - sorry - too lazy to read it all.

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Where is the mute button? That is the one thing I cannot find (except when I put the headset on)

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Thanks, Dream Rider! ... the Mute button is easy to lock (and unlock) the keys when the curve is in the pocket ...

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by stacilg
    Where is the mute button? That is the one thing I cannot find (except when I put the headset on)

    On the top of the phone there is button with a speaker symbol with a line across it. Should be on the top left.

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by szumlanski
    I would not go back to my 8700 because of the feature set of the 8300, but I do have several complaints. Maybe there are workarounds that I just don't realize.
    • The key lock is a real pain in the a$$. Actually the unlocking is the hard part. On my 8700, a double click of the wheel would always unlock the keypad. Now a double click of the wheel does nothing. You still have to press * then phone. This is not an operation easily handled without looking at the device, and it takes more time to accomplish. It is also hard to explain to someone borrowing your phone. Note: if you have a security code, double click will get you to the prompt for it, but it won't let you use a simple code like 0000. Even worse is that unlocking the keypad is at least a three key operation. before you do * then phone, you have to press a key to wake the screen. The * key is not recognized as the initial * when the phone is sleeping. Not enough? If you accidentally press the trackwheel when it is locked, you get a menu with the option to unlock (which does not work) and you have to exit this menu before pressing * phone. Now we are at 4 key presses to unlock. Argh!
    • Speaking of waking the phone, moving the trackwheel on the 8700 would wake the screen. You have to click the trackwheel on the 8300 or press a key. This is stupid. You shuold be able to wake the screen by MOVING the trackwheeel if the keypad is unlocked. At least this should be an option.
    • Locking is equally as frustrating. I press Alt-Enter to lock the keypad because I don't want to waste a softkey for this and finding the lock icon takes too long. However, regardless of how you choose to lock your device, there is a very noticeable lag between pressing alt-enter and the phone actually showing the owner infomation indicating the phone is locked - almost 2 seconds. You have to sit there like an idiot and wait for confirmation before dropping it in your pocket.
    • It does not ship with a holster. This would not be such a problem if it weren't for the keypad annoyances above. I had to buy a third-party holster to eliminate the frustrations locking/unlocking the device.
    • The media manager has no real dedicated keys. While listening to music you can pause/play using the mute button, but unless you are in the media application, you can't change songs. Unless you have the music player on a side softkey, there is no quick way to get into the media player. Even if you click the icon for it, you still have to select "now playing" to get to the controls. There should be dedicated controls and you should be able to see the now playing song on the home screen.
    • Videos stored on a microSD card are just dumped into one huge list in the media player. Even though I have my videos stored in folders on the card, the videos just appear in one list with no organization. With 100+ video podcast files, even with the find feature it is hard to browse your library.
    • You can't access files on the microSD card with the media player when the device is connected to your computer.
    • When viewing a large or medium sized video file, there is a significant lag between pressing a volume button (or any button) and actually getting any results. I have been embarrased many times after starting a video file that is unexpectedly loud, and not been able to stop it or reduce the volume in a timely manner. Sound leaks out of all openings of the device. so muffling it in your armpit does little good.
    • The device is down-right S-L-O-W when you put a few third party apps on it. I did not notice too much lagging when I first got the device, but as I added the essentials (google maps, Berry411, PocketExpress, OperMini) the device bacame much slower. Entering and exiting apps causes lags and the dreaded hourglass appears much more often. Not to mention the media player slowness indicated above.
    • I used to be able to turn wireless or bluetooth off or on with one icon click. Now the wireless icon controls both the cell radio and bluetooth, so each operation takes two clicks. Maybe this is theme controlled (I use the AT&T stock theme). Dumb.
    • Bluetooth headsets do not work with the media player. The media player defaults to the device speakers when a bluetooth headset is connected. Apparently there is a trick to make it work floating around out there on the forum, but I have been unable to get it to work with a Plantronics 640.
    • The media player maximum volume output with stereo wired headphones is poor and the bass is rather low.
    • It's a little slippery - fixed with a BestSkinEver.
    • Battery life does not live up to Blackberry standards.
    • Takes ages to reboot. I mean you might as well go boil and egg while you wait. It's ridiculous.
    There's plenty to love about the Curve, but that's for another thread...
    Wow.. you really bashed the Curve.. you must be one of them Iphone Lovers huh?

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by flash24
    Wow.. you really bashed the Curve.. you must be one of them Iphone Lovers huh?
    Nope. Like I said - there is plenty to love. These are just annoyances, almost all solvable with software tweaks.

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    Re: Complaints about Blackberry 8300 Curve

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Rider
    To lock the keys I press and hold the mute button, to unlock the keys press mute again. Simple, eficent, and easily done one handed.

    If this was already stated - sorry - too lazy to read it all.
    That's a great tip, however, you can't listen to music like this. It has it's place...

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