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    Article: SUNDAY READER: What You Should Know About Exxon Mobil’s Latest Ad

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    Hmm, should I feel I am being got at Del? For all the comments on bad oil company, without these guys all the gadgets would not be made, or delivered, along with fields not being plowed, food not being delivered, travel down to minimal, houses not being heated, need I go on!

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    Nope, no. But you'd be the ideal person to comment.
    If oil wasn't a resource, an alternative for human evolvement would have been found...its human nature.
    Its a thought just for the sake of discussion.

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    Something else was found and used prior to oil, it was called wood (they used to burn it in the cave to keep warm, it kept us alive during the freezing weather and gave us a taste for cooked food, (and it started the contribution to global warming), this was quickly followed (several hundred years) with the use of coal which also helped along the path of global warming, I am sure those old enough remember smog (a combination of smoke and fog due to burning dirty coal in our homes keeping us warm through the winter). Then of course there were the steam trains getting us around and the boats like the Titanic all using methods to move us. We shouldn't forget the oil lamps giving us light to be able to read and study so we can develop new ideas.


    Then we come to the question of global warming, which I do not think anyone can truly deny is happening, the only question is to what degree is it happening, there was the scandal of the scientists who falsified some results, really to scare people into reacting (which I can understand, after all if you say there is a tiny change everyone will say whatever and ignore it).


    Everyone has to accept blame, rather than putting the blame on the oil companies, if we did not use the product they would not be around. The author of the article was typing it on her computer built from byproducts of oil. OK she could have use a typwriter with paper, but then she would have had to cut down trees to make the paper which will contribute to global warming as the trees are not there to cleans the atmosphere, and the amount of water that is used would have an affect on our environment. Then add that to the rubbish that people throw into the sea and is slowly building a large island in the Pacific. We live on this planet and should respect it, we need to accept responsibility for what WE do rather than put blame on to specifics. For our governments (particularly in the US at the moment) the oil companies are an easy target (high gas prices, taxes etc) to divert the attention during an election year, once whosoever is elected it will be back to business as usual, that is campaigning for 2016!!
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    ^^^wow, that was a mouthful.
    Maybe if we didn't have oil, we´d have harnessed energy from sea waves? The sun? The wind ? Like what we're trying now. Then we wouldn't have this problem. Ok, maybe we'd have others...
    I'd like to remain optimistic. Oil is going to be a scarce commodity in the (already is) near future. Until then it will be priced to very high, and unaffordable levels. The cycle has started already. I wonder how we going to cook, heat the house etc. then. And how PC's and all the gadgets (plastic) are going to be made... and how many jobs (general and specialist) will disappear. Much like the transition from the Industrial Age to the (now) Modern Age.
    I'll leave my grand children to think about that.
    I just feel guilty that I haven't contributed significantly for this evolvement. I just accepted and contributed to today's miserable situation.
    The one's that should have, that were better placed and trained, though, have done nothing and got rich in the process. Some of them anyway.
    In short, human nature...

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    Don't feel guilty Del, the technology for wavepower, windpower, power storage is still far from being perfect, we are still in the infancy of building batteries that will not damage the environment and will be light enough to use, whilst being able to store enough electricity. It would not have been developed if oil hadn't been discovered we would still be using horses, come to that a lot of the components come from the oil business. The development of the faster computers that we have all come to love has been thanks to the need of the oil industry to drive the exploration, the fast graphics cards have been desperately needed to display the 3D images that we use for interpretation. When I joined the industry back in the '70's they reckoned that oil would be almost depleted by now, instead we have found more fields, developed more accurate methods of discovery, found better ways of extracting it, improved the safety of getting it out of the earth etc. Where the bottleneck develops is in the refining to a product that can be used in your car (with byproducts building the roads etc.) as refineries have not been built for a long time, then you add the guys that sit in their offices buying and selling futures, dictating how much we spend on petrol so that they can get rich without spending a penny and without doing any of the work to get it out of the earth.


    We may look at oil as being a dirty fuel that damaging the environment and that electric cars are the way of the future, but they get their electricity from Nuclear or Coal burning power stations plus to a small extent wind/wave/solar plants, add to that the batteries take 12 hours to charge and will last 5 years, however if you want to increase the rate of charge the battery life decreases right the way down to 1-3 years, then you replace them at $10K a pop, and of course we have to find a good way of disposing of them Aaaarggh!!!! No matter how you look at it, MAN damages the environment and will continue to do so because MAN wants to enjoy life, otherwise what is the point of being here? The earth as whole has some form of self healing humanity needs to develop techniques to heal the earth then maybe we would get somewhere, yes keep inventing new forms of power but don't talk about plant/algae ethanol since we need to eat there are areas of this world where people are starving yet we are turning food into stuff to run our cars?? I just wish that we could get politicians/scientists/and of course ourselves that want to work together not to get elected/rich/powerful but to fix the problems we have.
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    Here in Portugal we're taking great strides.
    There are already two cities (small population about 200,000 each) in the north (Póvoa and Viana) that get 15% of their energy from wave power. The harnessing of wind is a big thing ( I believe we're the 2nd best in the world regarding the usage of wind power) and already up to 30% of all energy is obtained this way. EDP and EDPR (Portuguese) are wind energy industries that have spread to all major countries, including the US and China. Good business, and it puts us up on the world map. We're a small country...we can all fit in New York and there will be room to spare.
    But, I tell you, seeing all those propellers on the hill tops is not a very good sight as well.
    I have hopes...

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    Texas, and Alberta (both areas well known for oil) have wind farms on the hilltops, in fact Calgary's CTrain is powered by electricity generated by WindPower, but even this is not ideal, for example when the winds are too high they have to be shut down, plus the turbines are killing thousands of birds, apparently they must get confused by the fact the branches of those strange trees are moving! The hydroelectric damns not only flood acres and acres of land, but they also kill thousands of fish through the turbines, the solar farms in the desert are destroying the habitat of rare desert animals, all things that are real problems for anyone that cares about the environment as on the one hand it reduces the amount of gases going into the atmosphere but on the other they are killing the creatures we share the earth with. Humanity is selfish, we are not going to go back to living in caves and fighting with each other for control of hunting areas (well maybe we never stopped the second point), but we do need to keep looking into alternatives. Whilst we do I am afraid that oil will continue to be used as the main source of energy.
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    A further note on Global Warming (please don't get me wrong I am not saying it doesn't exist) is that there are a number of scientists on the other side disclaiming a lot of the reported statements by the various global warming proponents, but these scientists don't get reported as they are going against the required beliefs of the various governmental groups. Of course the layman can only go by what is reported and by what he/she sees, tornadoes occurring, earthquakes, hurricanes tsunamis, all of which have always been happening, then there are pictures of the polar icecaps, (this is something that causes concern and well it should), but again is the major reporting of the phenomenon because we now have the capability to see it, whereas several hundred years ago we did not? It is important for us to minimize waist, recycle, minimize emissions, not through rubbish into our ecosystem and so forth not because of global warming (which may or may not be proven) but because we want a better environment to live in and a capability to live with all the creatures around us. If we do it for these reasons then everyone should be on board, rather than having people sitting on the sidelines saying they don't believe. Governments should not be wanting to improve things to get elected, they should be doing it for the greater good (yeah I know that will never happen!)


    Look at the various studies that have come out: Cell Phones cause cancer, Cell phones don't cause cancer, cell phones do cause cancer followed by they don't cause cancer. Cigarette smoking causes cancer/secondary smoke is worse than smoking. How many people in this world smoke (I am not one of them and am really happy to work in a smoke free environment, but I grew up with a mother that smoked 60 a day and a father that smoked a pipe, sometimes it was difficult to see across the room, yet neither of them were affected by it). Eating red meat can cause cancer, eating sausages bacon etc, can cause cancer. The point is that for each study that is done on a small (small in comparison to the population) group of people it is impossible to ensure that everything is the same for each person in the study even down to the genetic make of the person (for example someone may be more susceptible to nicotine than someone else and be more likely to get cancer from smoking) so it is not possible to definitely determine that a specific item is the cause of the problem. We each need to take responsibility for our actions, and be aware of the possible implications to our health of what we do. One further example of how propaganda can affect what you believe. Many people today believe that carrots help you see in the dark is this true? It actually was a rumor started by the British government during World War II to explain why the British were able to shoot down the planes in the dark, (actual reason was that the British were using a new invention called Radar, but they did not want to let the enemy know of this development). The idea has continued over the years.


    It is important to read the studies, and to research the information provided prior to changing ones lifestyle because of it, certainly it is important to exercise, to eat a balanced diet, to visit the doctor when you are ill, and to keep your mind active.
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