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    Article: Apple wants all new HTC Android phones barred from U.S.

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    Mommy.....make it stop.

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    If the FTC finds that HTC has infringed on Apples's patent, they could very well indeed make it stop.

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    Geez I wonder why Apple doesn't sue the heirs of Graham Bell too. Or Isaac Newton. Maybe Leonardo da Vinci.
    The day will come I suppose.

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    Is all this really, really necessary? Eh, have a bad headache this morning.....I'll just stay away from this.

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    I just braved my headache and read the patent. In a nutshell it is about they system being able to recognize phone numbers, dates, or any pattern of data and executing a function on said data.

    Like getting a phone number in an email, it will see the number and allow you the option of dialing or adding to a phone book. I would assume it's the same for an address or whatever.

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,946,647

    I have mixed feelings about this. I'm not 100% sure this would be something that an injunction should be issued for IF it is being violated. Should Apple receive compensation of a patent they own in violated? Yes. Does this smell like bullying and bull? Yes.

    What's the deal here? Is HTC in violation? One has to wonder after the last round of customs holds. Apparently the One X and EVO 4g LTE were not in violation of the previous patents. Do you think maybe Apple knew this and just wanted to stall the launch of said devices? Do you think maybe it was in an attempt to offer up some bad press about a competitor, true or not? Do you think Apple was hoping that those folks looking to buy either device would opt for the iPhone instead since neither were available?

    This patent was filed on 2/1/96. One would think that IF it is being violated Apple would have had more than enough time to discover and implement proceedings instead of opting for an "Emergency Ban". Sorry, but I have to laugh out loud at the "Emergency" part.

    Now, I'm going to base my opinion on the prior ruling that HTC covered it's digital butt and was found compliant with the One X and EVO. Apple grasped at straws and I'm willing to bet the same thing is being done now, and with the S3 attempt. I will be happy to apologize and admit my error if HTC is found guilty this time. Apple is using tactics that are complete crap in attempting to protect it's market share. Instead of innovating (or maybe Thinking Different) they are being bullies. We've seen leaks on the upcoming iPhone (and yes they could be very wrong or off) and it looks like instead of listening to it's users it will opt to do what it wants. Once again what it's customers want seems to be set aside for what Apple tells them they want.

    If Apple gave customers what they wanted (larger screen, increased memory, faster cpus, redesign of outer casings) then perhaps the needless bullying of it's competitors in courts wouldn't be needed. Remember, this is MY opinion, not fact.

    Now, all that being said, IF HTC and Samsung are in violation then let them pay the price. By all means let the cheater be punished. I don't mean this rant to imply that I think anyone should get away with peeing in someones patent Fruit Loops.

    What I do mean is that competition should be handled like it was in the good ole days. Build a better mouse trap. Give consumers what they want, don't tell them what they want. Compete as equals, not as high and mighty "magic" makers.

    Once upon a time when the OG iPhone was launched, I remember being totally blown away. It reached down into the inner geek (and outer geek) and yanked at my heartstrings. That was the shiznit. Had to have one. Didn't care about no App Store, didn't care about speeds of network. It was the sexiest device around. It was far better looking than the first Androids.

    Apple would be better suited to go back to that kind of strategy.




    ***This has been a non-iPhone users rant. It is in no way an attempt to belittle, pick on, insult, or play Haterz on any iPhone, iPad, iPod, Mac, or future iThingy user in any way. Peace be with you all***
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    I'm an iPhone user and I agree, Jay. I will be very disappointed if any of these rumors of an elongated 4" screen come to fruition because Apple deems it so.

    None of this is about iPhone vs. Android, anyway. Both are great technologies in their own right, really. IMO, it's about petty little crap.

    I think it could be said that most everything we have in our possession at this moment came about because of competition. Somebody saw something and said, "hey, I like that, but I think I can make it better," and so on.

    Let it be. It's healthy and what made America great. No need to sue somebody because they took something that might have been your idea and tweaked it a little more to their liking. If it's an outright copy, then maybe you have a right to be pissed, but this constant barrage of lawsuits and media hype and attention is tiring.

    Spend more time and energy studying and maybe admiring the way something has been done by a competitor. Then use that to better your technology instead of nitpicking every minor detail and crying infringement.

    This is posturing and marketing, and yeah, maybe even bullying. Not true competition.

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    ^^^ Having said all that, will I buy the next iPhone or get an Android? Dunno yet. I might surprise you all and get the next BlackBerry!

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    That is where my frustration comes from Roger. I know it seems a little naive but really, is how a phone looks at a phone number really an issue that warrants a ban?

    Apple & Google need to settle down. Like I've ranted about before, we will end up paying the price. Those lawyers don't come cheap. When will users say enough is enough? I don't mind looking foolish here, most know I am already, but if I had more guts I'd do the hipster thing and create a facebook page or start writing email after email.

    I don't want to see either platform fail. They depend on one another to keep going....or did. I'd just like to see them act like big boys.

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    All this speculation about wrong/right, good/evil is pointless IMO. These companies are going to continue in this mode as long as there's money to be made. If what's been said is true, that Apples is trying to delay the US release of the GIII, then it's a calculated move on their behalf. Do I agree with ALL of Apples business practices? No. But I'm pretty sure a lot of the major worldwide corporations are doing the same thing.
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    I agree, and if given enough time I'd happily rail against them. However the article at hand is about Apple (as most are) and it's getting tiresome. Given that, do you believe this to be a wise and acceptable calculated move? When has it become ok to try and stop a competitor in the courts, or simply delay them? Why wasn't this practice used before?

    My point being that the competition has somehow scared Apple into feeling this is the only way to compete. It cheapens Apple.

    You love your iPhone, and you should. There is no argument coming from me that it is a great device and praiseworthy. I believe on it's own it can compete with the S2, and models from HTC. Can it compete as is with the newest devices? Yes and no. Only no in as much as the older devices (S2, Evo, Sensation) can compete with the same devices, or say the older androids can compete with the 4S when it was launched.

    Seems as if it's calculated then there would be a gain. To what end? Is it to prevent buyers of androids access to the devices they want, forcing them to either wait with frustration or to buy Apple? I dare say the ones that get frustrated will be driven even further away from the iPhone.

    You make the best point with "money to be made". That's what maddens me the most. The money being made may not be on the front end with desire for the devices, but in the back end with higher markups due to litigation fees.

    Rumor has it (rumor) that Apple spent $100 million in it's first round of lawsuits against HTC and gained very little. 4 patents out of many more. While Apple sits on a mountain of cash, I highly doubt they write off the fees spent. It get's passed to you and I, well you.

    HTC, Samsung, they do the same. Apple is by no means the sole culprit. In the end the calculated moves, the lawsuits end up being nothing more than kid crap that shouldn't be going on. When a company sues a school because their logo looks like theirs, things are getting out of hand, but that's not really relevant here.

    My point is, if indeed this would be a calculated move, it's a poor reaction to competition. Put that money into more R&D, shift it to actually developing a device that meets the consumers needs and wants (ok, I admit the iPhone does meet most consumer needs), instead of minor updates that barely keep the design current and suing everyone and their brother for minor breeches that eventually get thrown out anyway.

    The case history has shown that Apple goes for the throat and ends up with simply pinching its target. I see it as damaging to their reputation with consumers. Remember they took the same approach towards Windows and did little if any real harm, damn near killing themselves in the process. If they had more success within the courts then this would be a valid and perhaps good use of money, but it hasn't been.

    I still argue that Samsung, HTC, Apple and anyone getting involved in this lawsuit playground chest thumping is hurting you and I way more than the company targeted. We as users keep supplying the funds to make this happen.

    You are right, it's not just Apple. It's just Apple being in the press more. Please, know this, I would rail against Samsung, Google, HTC if we saw them time after time being proactive in lawsuits. It does happen, just seems like Apple is far aggressive then the others, and getting little out of it.


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    Thank goodness that Steve Jobs (the Good Lord rest his soul) and Apple lawyers weren't around when MAN invented the WHEEL. Or FIRE for that matter.
    We would be in real trouble.

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    Steve Jobs didnt invent fire? There's an app for that.
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    I just scrolled through an e-mail on my BB and when it came to a phone number I clicked and it dialed it, which it has done on all the bb's I have had, (even those prior to Apple). so now I am confused. Jay mentions the Patent was filed in 1996 which was 16 years ago still within the 20 year limit. Where did Apple obtain this Patent, it would not have been for the IPhone because it did not exist then?

    There are options within your browser to recognize phone numbers and call them on your PC, is this an infringement to? If it is why has this not been attacked. What about Push E-mail, used to be only RIM could do this. When are these Patent battles going to stop. Banning the import of phones to the US may end up in reciprocal bans in Asia of the IPhone, trade wars will start, the consumer gets hurt. This is already happening with hundreds of products, which you are unable to obtain in the US, but can obtain in Europe or the Far East. Any American would be shocked at the number of vehicles available in Europe/Russia/SE Asia which you will never see in the US, to protect the Auto industry rather than letting them compete in a fair market. It is the same with computers, smartphones etc. Sad as it may be it is the way the industry operates.
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    Dave, on your recent trip to Moscow you must have seen the diversity. (Unheard of in Russia, a decade ago.) I'm talking about everything, cars as you mentioned, but generally all products. It's much the same across the EU.
    I have a feeling this is the exactly what Apple and other giant manufacturers in the US have been trying to do. That's why the Shenghen Treaty was never ratified by the US. It's a great pity. It's reciprocal. We would be happy here in the EU to be able to buy more US products, too.
    After a trip to Spain by Steve Kovach (Businessinsider) he wrote in an article how surprised he was when he didn't see any iPhones in Barcelona, Madrid. (Wake up Steve Kovach, there´s a big, big world out here too...) What he saw was a panoply of Androids of all makes...only in a chick café in Valencia did he come across some people with iPhones. It's much the same here. It's much the same all over the EU regarding US products. And usually very, very expensive to acquire.
    Shenghen...

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    ^^^Del, this is exactly what I am talking about. I grew up in the UK, and loved all the small specialist shops especially when I started building my stereo system, and first got into computers, there was a lot of competition, then the majors started coming in and I move to Singapore where there was even more competition. So many PC's (in the days of the 286) and notebooks, add to that the cameras, it was a joy to visit the shopping centers and browse for lenses, computer parts, gadgets etc. When I returned to the UK Dixon's and Curry's had basically bankrupted all the specialists undercutting them with low prices. Traveling round Europe though the situation was not so bad but the prices were a lot higher. Once I moved to the US it was sad to see how little competition there was. Russia has changed a lot, especially Moscow, I don't think there is anything you cannot get, it was really good to see the Citroen's and Alpha's driving around which are not in the US at all, add to that the latest Range Rover's the smaller BMW's and Audi's, it was really amazing. Smartphone wise, a few BB's, a few Iphones but lots of Androids. The point is many of the US tech press seem to think that the only market is America. I remember in 2002 how shocked the commentators were that people in Europe were using cell phones since the average person in the US had not really accepted cellphones preferring pagers. America always has considered itself to be the leader even when it is not, news from the rest of the world rarely trickles in due to it's size I suppose. US products are good (those that are still made in the US) their cars are big and comfortable (required for the distances traveled), but they are made for US roads, way over sized for the roads in Europe, the Jeep Grand Cherokee I had in the UK was a big vehicle in the US it is considered a small SUV. Life would be wonderful if there was truly free trade, but I think a lot of companies would go bankrupt.
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