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    PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

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    Hello Everyone.

    I have read the PIN messaging thread and am a bit confused. I understand the PIN message flow of BB sender->RIM->BB receiver. However, what I don't understand in all of this is how is RIM able to send a PIN message directly to the receiving BB without using the wireless providers network.

    Is this really how the PIN message flow works? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    its all part of the blackberry data plan. it uses the data....not the cell phone service

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    Quote Originally Posted by glehman85
    its all part of the blackberry data plan. it uses the data....not the cell phone service
    Right. Maybe I am not understanding the difference because there is a network involved in both data and cell phone service. How are PIN's able to make it the BB but not emails?

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    im not sure what your trying to ask. are you having a problem getting emails, but not pins?

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    Quote Originally Posted by glehman85
    im not sure what your trying to ask. are you having a problem getting emails, but not pins?
    I appreciate the help. No problems with emails at the moment. I am just asking. I have noticed though that when BB users have problems with receiving email on their BB the carrier does a PIN to PIN to test and passes the problem off to the BES server if the PIN to PIN is successful. I personally don't believe this is the right information and don't believe that a successful PIN to PIN absolves the wireless network of any responsibility.

    For example, usera@domain.com has gone hours without receiving email on their BB, however the BES is scanning the mailbox, queuing messages, and sending notification to RIM that there are new messages. However, the only way usera@domain.com can receive the messages is by removing/reinserting the battery from the BB.

    However, sending a PIN message to the device arrives on usera@domain.com's device within minutes all while email is down.

    Thanks again for the help.

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    ohh ok. gotcha. i am not so sure, if the users email is down, but the data (interent) is still working...then that would explain why they can still get PINs.

    maybe someone with a little more knowing of PINs will chime in here...

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    Hi All

    This is my understanding, the Pin messages does use the cellular network it sends the message to the RIM Relay (BB Noc) and then sends back out on the Cellular network that the recieving device is on. example sender from Telus network sends a pin message, goes to Relay they locate which network that pin is on and send to for example user on Bell network.

    The Pin message does not go through the BES server, so this is a good way to see if there is a cellular outage or a Bes/mail server outage. If pin works cellular ok if not cellular outage!

    hope this helps.

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    This means I dont need a data plan to send messages PIN to PIN right? I have a Blackberry at work with data, but my wife uses my old one as a phone and pda. PIN to PIN allows us to message for free IF this is true. Anyone know for sure? I am out of town and have no way of trying it out.

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    she would need a data plan.
    PIN-PIN goes thru the data lines.
    SMS or commonly known as text messaging goes thru the phone lines.

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    I doubt also a carrier will sell you a voice only plan on your BB...

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~ gotta love the perk of free messenging

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    Re: PIN to PIN bypasses wirleess network?

    GS_blackberr, mjeado and crabbyone, Welcome to PinStack.

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