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    RIM Developer Exec Mike Kirkup on BlackBerry App Memory Problem, Storefront

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    cio.com: As I recently posted, I've got concerns regarding the relatively small amount of memory available within current BlackBerry smartphones for storing third-party mobile applications. The problem: BlackBerrys are restricted when it comes to storing applications, since you can’t save third-party apps to external memory cards, and on-device app memory is extremely limited by Research In Motion (RIM). This week I got the chance to sit down with RIM’s Manager of Developer Relations, Mike Kirkup, for his take on the issue. He also shared some new details on the upcoming BlackBerry Application Storefront, due next month.

    First, a bit more detail on the BlackBerry app memory predicament: Though some modern BlackBerry devices, such as the Bold 9000, have as much as 1GB of on-board memory and support external memory cards up to 32GB, RIM only allows third party applications to be saved to BlackBerry “app memory.” The largest amount of app memory available today is 256MB, found within the new Curve 8900 device. And that’s actually a lot when compared to earlier devices; both the Bold and Storm have only 128MB of app memory. What’s worse: The BlackBerry OS also lives in app memory, along with more core system software, so you don’t even really have the full amount of advertised memory for storage.

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    I'm glad this issue was discussed. Thank you for the information.

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    Hi Cherri

    Hi Cherri,
    Well done - we must find a way to apply pressure for RIM to be "more customer- needs" aware. Maybe you´ve started the ball rolling, and it will be up to us to respond. Maybe this thread could develope into a "Peer Pressure Group" forcing RIM to take notice...RIM needs to"give" a bit more to keep us BB users satisfied, don´t you think?
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    FTA

    "Once you purchase an application, you can choose to delete it whenever you please, directly from your handheld, say to free up space if necessary. But that application will also be available for over-the-air download again in the future, free of charge, after you log in to your account again."

    Not a bad idea, but it's more of a work around in my opinion. Let us store apps to the microSD or internal memory that isn't used for the OS.
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    There is an app that is suppose to do that called aerize card loader

    http://www.mobihand.com/aerize/platf...asp?platform=5
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    I agree with j llama, it's just a work around. I only purchase 3rd party apps from mobihand because they also allow you to re-download your apps as many times as you want. I go through phases where I use certain apps and games like crazy, then don't use them at all for a couple months. So I am already doing what they are proposing. If not in use, it gets deleted, then when I need it again, just log in to mobihand and send an OTA download link to my BB by sms or email.

    I would much rather have tons of app memory to start with and not ever have to worry about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j33t3rz View Post
    There is an app that is suppose to do that called aerize card loader

    http://www.mobihand.com/aerize/platf...asp?platform=5
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    Unfortunately it just stores apps, you can't run them from the card. Maybe they have made improvements in it's performance and use, but I tried it when it first came out and hated it. I know some love it though.
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    hopefully this leads to a change and we can use our full memory on board or use external memory

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    “Yes, the available amount of application memory is small, but so is the average BlackBerry app,” Kirkup told me.
    I think Kirkup misses causality here. BlackBerry apps are small because there is so little application memory space. Nobody would download an application that's 20 megabytes, so nobody develops such large applications.
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    very informative, thanks for the post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thyth View Post
    I think Kirkup misses causality here. BlackBerry apps are small because there is so little application memory space. Nobody would download an application that's 20 megabytes, so nobody develops such large applications.
    Exactly. Just what I was thinking. The 8900's memory is a big step up, and I have no doubt that RIM will follow up with the newer Blackberrys. At least 1GB would be amazing, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thyth View Post
    I think Kirkup misses causality here. BlackBerry apps are small because there is so little application memory space. Nobody would download an application that's 20 megabytes, so nobody develops such large applications.
    Very true and with the faster processing power, memory taking up less physical space with new technology and 3g, 4g and wifi access to downloads... this is already changing. The smartphone apps will be growing in capability and size at a rapid rate.

    By the end of 09' all major players should have at least one 1ghz offering or better.

    Great read overall though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delfim View Post
    Hi Cherri,
    Well done - we must find a way to apply pressure for RIM to be "more customer- needs" aware... a "Peer Pressure Group" forcing RIM to take notice...
    Rubber hoses, bags of oranges, phone books, chocolate chip cookies, cinnamon buns, comfy chairs...sticks and carrots and they'll come around to our way of thinking? Or maybe just an exchange program where they have to work in a company other than RIM and need to use third party apps for their job, at which time they might realize the importance of being able to use a variety of apps and maintain performance.


    Quote Originally Posted by j llama View Post
    FTA

    "Once you purchase an application, you can choose to delete it whenever you please, directly from your handheld, say to free up space if necessary. But that application will also be available for over-the-air download again in the future, free of charge, after you log in to your account again."

    Not a bad idea, but it's more of a work around in my opinion. Let us store apps to the microSD or internal memory that isn't used for the OS.
    Definitely a work around, and a limited one. When you delete an app it's data (if saved on the device, and most don't let you set where it saves application settings, etc.) goes with it, so just like with Aerize Card loader you can only use this method for apps that don't have data saved to your device memory unless you're willing to lose that data.



    Quote Originally Posted by Thyth View Post
    ...BlackBerry apps are small because there is so little application memory space....
    This is the most frustrating thing for me about using a Blackberry. My 8100 is my daily carry-around device. There are a number of apps I use that I have to have loaded on it, and the only way I could have them on there was to eliminate 'unnecessary' modules of the OS and not install Docs to go. I actually have Docs to Go installed on another one of my BB's and if I'm going to need it that day carry that around with me as well. In DM, the 8100 shows it's using about 33 Mb for OS and apps. On the deive, it shows about 27 Mb free on bootup, but that's not really useable space. If I go beyond mid 33 Mb for OS/apps loaded I can expect performance degradation (spinning hourglass/lags). There are some apps I would love to have handy, but just can't have on my main unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azstar View Post
    I agree with j llama, it's just a work around. I only purchase 3rd party apps from mobihand because they also allow you to re-download your apps as many times as you want. I go through phases where I use certain apps and games like crazy, then don't use them at all for a couple months. So I am already doing what they are proposing. If not in use, it gets deleted, then when I need it again, just log in to mobihand and send an OTA download link to my BB by sms or email.

    I would much rather have tons of app memory to start with and not ever have to worry about it.

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    RedNightHawk - couldn´t agree more with your rationale. RIM 's attitude is to enforce their OS. But like any developer that should aim at customer service (and I mean providing the tools that we use to maintain performance) they have, instead, closed into their OS shell. We must help them break loose. We must force them.The market is out there...a geater memory capacity and the possibility of program installation is a must.
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