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    WES 2008: Can someone go ask Verizon a question?

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    Regarding GPS on Verizon devices...

    I have been very outspoken about the crippled GPS functionality on when it comes to Verizon. Turns out there is fresh news (as of two weeks ago) on this thread...Verizon To Unlock GPS? 8330 Available To Business Clients?

    highlight from said thread: (thanks goes to "theOutSider"

    "Within the 2nd or 3rd quarter (2nd quarter started in April), and after releasing the new VZ Nav, they will be anouncing that the GPS function on all VZW BB's will be opened for free app use. No more crippled GPS on VZW! Ya for us. She said they are testing their networks capability to handle the increase of data traffic from the free GPS use and so far it has been testing without problems."

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    Can someone just non-chalanty waltz up to the Verizon booth (i'm sure they have one) and ask about the status of the GPS network testing? (or just if, and when they plan on "unlocking" our GPS)

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    Will do! This is right up my alley! I will post my reply soon!

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    Verizon store was totally clueless as to what I was referring to. Even was trying to tell me that GPS enabled meant that the device could be 911 located only and that is what GPS enabled meant...needless to say, we got into a heated debate on VZW definitions and what the reality of false advertising was. I told him that I was not totally clueless on this issue as he assumed and how the advertising read on their website prior to the removal of it. I ask him if he wanted me to read the description of what his competitors called GPS enabled, he backed down. His final statement on the original question: "the status of the GPS network testing." Was this: He was not familiar w/ the information and if it was true they probably would not let them know till the last minute.

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    I SERIOUSLY doubt this... Verizon has spent a lot of time and effort with their A-GPS implementation and making sure that their apps work with it to just go turn it off. Not to mention that VZNav is a cash cow for them, and allowing you to use free software like Google Maps or Blackberry Maps -- even if it doesn't have the same functionality -- would make no sense.

    And I don't think it would be a matter of them just turning off a switch or anything simple... they use some sort of secure authentication that's unique to their LBS infrastructure -- supposedly for security -- where every location request sent from the device to the network needs to be authenticated by their location proxy servers. This is the crux of their argument about why they "crippled" GPS, and for them to turn it off altogether and allow any app to work would seem rather unlikely.

    With that said, Verizon was supposed to be working with vendors (read: Google) on a solution that would allow their apps to interface with the Verizon infrastructure before... so who knows. Or maybe they're finally seeing that people are choosing NOT to get their devices because of the limited functionality and decided to bite the bullet and toss VZNav to the curb.

    I guess we'll see. I'll ask around and see what they say.

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    VZW is starting to tick me off! I am thinking seriously about converting to another provider...the $ I would lose does not matter @ this point any more...it's beginning to be a trust issue w/me. If you cannot trust your provider and they get caught in a lie, that makes you doubt their future.

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    Sure thing bro I'll ask and report back to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viguera View Post
    I SERIOUSLY doubt this... Verizon has spent a lot of time and effort with their A-GPS implementation and making sure that their apps work with it to just go turn it off. Not to mention that VZNav is a cash cow for them, and allowing you to use free software like Google Maps or Blackberry Maps -- even if it doesn't have the same functionality -- would make no sense.
    VZNav is no doubt a cash cow for them. But what % of VZW's subscribers are BB users? Im guessing that most people who use VZNav are regular phone users, which Im sure way outnumber the BB users on their network. So unlocking GPS for us BB users couldnt hurt them too bad right? Again this is what Im just thinking outloud on. I have no hard data but it seems logical, I think, lol.
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    I'm sure that the decision to unlock the GPS (if it ends up true) was strictly a marketing one. Since new user growth in the wireless customer market is slowing as the point of saturation is approaching, all of the providers are working on keeping the customer base they have. They are also trying to poach customers from their competition. Things like the unlimited call and data plans recently announced are good examples of that particular marketing battle between the companies.

    The neutered GPS has become something of a black eye for VZW, and all the justification in the world on why they disable the GPS falls flat when their competitors offer the same phones with fully functional GPS. They just come across as greedy bastards out to milk every penny out of their customers, which doesn't make people want to flock to their local VZW store and sign up.

    It's all about business, and I'm willing to net VZW has decided they stand to lose more from the bad press than by losing some NAV subscriptions. Besides, there is always the good chance that many will stick with VZNAV because it has some better nav functionality.

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    can you give me directions now?

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    I am curious to know if http://www.networksinmotion.com/ has a booth as well.
    I am guessing it's a stone's throw from the Verizon booth.
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    That has always been my point. Let me decide on my own. I pay for vznav right now. If I use other gps programs and I DECIDE that the others are not what I want then I will keep paying for vznav. If you make good product you have nothing to worry about.
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    I would not mind paying the extra $ if I could chose my GPS use. VZW boasts on It's VZnav like it is the bomb, but google maps, Tremble, etc., offer more in my opinion than VZW.That is why I originally tried it, I thougt it would enable the GPS...then I find out the real story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbee View Post
    I would not mind paying the extra $ if I could chose my GPS use. VZW boasts on It's VZnav like it is the bomb, but google maps, Tremble, etc., offer more in my opinion than VZW.That is why I originally tried it, I thougt it would enable the GPS...then I find out the real story.
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    Well I don't know if it's the bomb, and I like Google Maps, but I think in some aspects apps like VZNav and TeleNav offer a lot more than the "free" apps -- at least right now.

    VZNav has voice prompts, directions that follow you around so you don't have to keep refreshing, stuff like that. And they just added traffic avoidance and 3d maps, so in the end it offers some things that some of the free apps don't have.

    I still hate it though, and would only use it if I had no choice.

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    This is typical of Verizon (and ATT). They always cripple their phones. Verizon does it with GPS and Bluetooth, and ATT with network (the annoying message you get every few seconds when trying a 3rd party browser?)

    Blaah, I will stay far away from both companies (and yes, I have tried both of them for less than a year -- I broke out of both agreements)

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    Have any of you read posts where 8130 (non-Verizon) owners have reported their internal GPS doesn't work so well? Such as difficulty acquiring satellites? Or, have any of you read where 8130 owners report GOOD performanace with their internal GPS?

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