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    Hey J llama, do you know the status of the lawsuit that's going on?

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    Is this all locked down by verizon on a software level? Is there a way to cripple some files in order to circumvent verizon's vz? What about a different provider OS?
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    I am currently runing Vodafones OS on my device. Still locked out. Haven't heard anything more about the lawsuit.
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    Yea this definitely seems like the biggest crock of **** ive ever seen. You arent buying the device from Verizon, you are buying cellular phone service from them. The device comes from RIM, and I'm surprised Verizon has the legal authority to make alterations to RIM's operating system to lock out features like this. RIM designed the OS such that cell providers could add ADDITIONAL software and content, to be competitive with other providers offering features and programs that they dont. But they never said you could just disable basic inherent functionality within the phone. Thats like verizon locking out the QWERTY keyboard and only allowing numerical input unless you buy Verizon Office, or disabling the camera unless you buy Verizon Photsuite. It's a piece of hardware built into the phone. You OWN the phone, it is YOURS to do WHATEVER YOU WANT with. You arent leasing the phone from them, you arent buying a license to use it from verizon.

    Here's hoping some young hacker enthusiast writes a crack to allow us to use what we paid for.

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    I agree you should have the choice but i am on att, sorry
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    verizon limits you to 5gb of data per month. it should be no problem with email/browser and gps loads. i am sure i will never go near that amount unless i tether alot

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    /me is for free gps on all mobile devices!

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    another really great sounding app that we can't use
    InstaMapper Free Real-Time GPS Tracking


    (kind of an anti-climatic post this was, lol)
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    Finding more info.

    http://pnt.gov/advisory/

    A really long PDF file documenting a meeting from March of 2008 (31 pages )

    http://pnt.gov/advisory/2008-03/minutes.pdf
    After lunch I'll pull some interesting findings out of it and post here...
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    For example:



    In September 2007 the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator wrote the International Civil Aviation Administration [ICAO] to reiterate the U.S. government offer on the GPS positioning service, extending it to the Wide-Area Augmentation System [WAAS]; both free of direct user charges. This offer was accepted in December 2007.
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    I was playing around with my brothers 8830 this weekend to take advantage of all the server and phone updates, so I updated the phone to OS 4.5.

    After OS 4.5 was installed successfully, the first thing I found very interesting is that the new BB Maps programs had the option to "Start GPS Navigation" which is similar to the option in the 88xx (GPS unlocked) OS 4.2 maps program. I didn't get a chance to take the phone outside and try out the GPS, but it's funny that the option was there.

    Now here is another interesting thing, I started to wonder why HTML email wasn't working and I read on another forum that I had to resend the service books. So after I did that, I checked to see if HTML emails were working and they were, only for new emails. Now after I got done playing with the emails I went back to BB Maps and to my surprise the option to start GPS was gone.

    I hope somebody going through the process of updating their Verizon 8830 gets a chance to test if the GPS is working without the service books being resent.

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    I have an 8330 from Verizon, and I installed OS 4.5 beta. BB Maps now shows "internal gps" as an option (I also have a bt puck). I tried it a couple of times. Both times it wouldn't go past "searching for satellites" and both times it ended up causing me to do a battery pull to get VZNavigator to work again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j llama View Post
    There is a class action lawsuit forming over this. Contact The Cohen Lawfirm:
    jcohen@thecohenlawfirm.net

    From http://thecohenlawfirm.net/news.htm

    November 30, 2007

    THE COHEN LAW FIRM FILES CLASS –ACTION SUIT AGAINST VERIZON WIRELESS FOR DISABLING BUILT-IN GPS IN BLACKBERRY 8830 SMARTPHONES

    On November 30, 2007, The Cohen Law Firm filed a class action lawsuit against Verizon Wireless. The lawsuit, filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of California, alleges that Verizon Wireless advertised, marketed and sold the BlackBerry 8830 Smartphone as having a built-in GPS. Without alerting its customers, Verizon Wireless disabled the GPS in the phones prohibiting users from using the GPS or from accessing third party navigation and tracking software. In order to partially re-activate the built-in GPS 8830 Blackberry 8830 users must subscribe to Verizon Wireless’ fee-based navigation and tracking service. You may view a copy of the lawsuit by clicking the following link: Verizon BlackBerry Class-Action Complaint (1MB PDF).
    I think we need to get additional devices included in either the existing class action lawsuit or have this law firm start some new ones for the 8130 and 8330.

    BTW, Verizon even blocks GPS for Government usage, they still have to use VZNav. Now how does that make any sense since the US Government maintains the GPS satellites and signal? How is Verizon able to sell the GPS signal (via VZNav) back to the Government when it comes from the Government to begin with?

    RRRRrroooOOOOOoooAAAAaaAAAAaarrRrRRRrrr!!!!!


    Also the online petition is up to 1527 signatures.
    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...ned.cgi?vzwgps
    Even thought the online petition doesn't do much more than show support behind an idea, it gets people to take notice.

    Verizon, I enjoy your other services greatly, I would just like to use third party software with my dang GPS. I am tired of hearing about the security issue, as there is no security issue.

    Great list of software we CAN'T use over at www.onlyblackberrygps.com

    The one I want the absolute most is Berry Locator. You can find your device if you lose it.

    Navigational Software
    AAA Mobile
    amAze GPS
    Be Prompt
    Berryvine Companion
    Blackberry Maps
    CoPilot LIVE
    Garmin Mobile 3.0
    Google Maps
    Mapquest Navigator
    Navizon
    Nav4All
    PTV NaviGuide
    Spot
    TeleNav
    Telmap
    Veripath Navigator
    Wayfinder
    Webraska Navigator
    WHERE GPS Widgets

    GPS Tracking Software
    AccuTracking
    BB Tracker
    Berry Locator
    Blip
    e-Mobile GPS Tracker
    GetMeThere
    gps2go
    InstaMapper
    Tierravision
    Whereboutz

    Geocaching, Social Networking & Trip Tracking
    BBPlaces
    Cacheberry
    GPSed
    MapWithUS
    Mobile Tracker
    SpotJots
    TrekBuddy
    Trimble
    Geocaching Links

    It might be time to take a new approach to this battle for GPS justice...

    In my opinion, this is starting to sound like a Monoply by Verizon in favor of Networks in Motion (creators of VZNav) I found the wiki for Monopoly, then found via Wikipedia, the Competition Regulators for the United States are:
    The Federal Trade Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission or direct http://www.ftc.gov/) as well as
    The United States Department of Justice who oversees Anti-Trust laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...trust_Division or direct http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/)
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    Quote Originally Posted by j llama View Post
    Still reading the 50 page almost one year old thread over at Crackberry.com regarding this ongoing GPS-CDMA train wreck that

    Verizon rep gives this as a reason for disabling the GPS

    "We apologize for any inconvenience our decision to disable the GPS functionality on the Blackberry 8830 may have caused you. As stated in our previous response, this is to alleviate concerns regarding access to data by malicious applications and misuse of location information."

    More info: from Verizon and that same end user playing email tag.

    We are not saying that the GPS feature with other carriers is not secure but we require additional security. Our location-based service requires customers to choose to be identified by a GPS service before the user?s location is shared.
    It is the best way to protect customers and minimize the potential for "man in the middle" attacks. The Verizon Wireless Location Service encrypts the customer location information in the device before transmitting it to the network. Verizon Wireless requires all location requests be authenticated before the handset or network can obtain a customer?s location information.

    Verizon Wireless supports Assisted GPS (AGPS) rather than stand-alone GPS like some others use. AGPS uses the Verizon Wireless Network to provide more accurate, faster location information, in addition to better navigation performance indoors and in dense urban areas. At launch, we elected not to implement other applications because of the overall impact they could have on the device?s performance.

    In general the BlackBerry 8830's GPS chip is used to provide the handset's
    location to emergency responders when placing 911 calls. It does not provide any user accessible functionality such as location information for directions, mapping or any other application at this time.

    **
    and more:

    Verizon Wireless chose not to offer the GPS mapping tool offered by RIM on the Blackberry 8830 for a number of reasons. Historically, we have always taken a pragmatic approach when allowing location based services on any Verizon Wireless device. We test phones and applications more than other carriers and the RIM GPS mapping tool has not passed our testing for security and performance. We plan to offer Verizon Wireless’ VZ Navigator and a number of third party GPS based applications for the BlackBerry 8830 later this year once the services pass our testing. It is important that we use applications that have been tested and approved because it directly impacts the level of performance as well as the assistance customers can expect when they call Verizon Wireless Tech Support.

    that letter is crap because all carriers enable triangulation with cell towers, or rather they dont choose to disable it since its harmless and makes sense. Its not Verizon exclusive, nor does it sensitize the stability and security of the network. Also the bit about unauthorized identification of a customers location is impossible. Before installing the software of a regular blackberry you can choose whether or not for it to ask you if its okay, or set it to ignore it since, you know, you arent stupid and are just trying to get damned driections.

    Man I hate verizon. protection my ***. thank god i dont have them.

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