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Originally Posted by j llama There is a class action lawsuit forming over this. Contact ... BlackBerry GPS forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by j llama View Post
    There is a class action lawsuit forming over this. Contact The Cohen Lawfirm:
    jcohen@thecohenlawfirm.net

    From http://thecohenlawfirm.net/news.htm

    November 30, 2007

    THE COHEN LAW FIRM FILES CLASS –ACTION SUIT AGAINST VERIZON WIRELESS FOR DISABLING BUILT-IN GPS IN BLACKBERRY 8830 SMARTPHONES

    On November 30, 2007, The Cohen Law Firm filed a class action lawsuit against Verizon Wireless. The lawsuit, filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of California, alleges that Verizon Wireless advertised, marketed and sold the BlackBerry 8830 Smartphone as having a built-in GPS. Without alerting its customers, Verizon Wireless disabled the GPS in the phones prohibiting users from using the GPS or from accessing third party navigation and tracking software. In order to partially re-activate the built-in GPS 8830 Blackberry 8830 users must subscribe to Verizon Wireless’ fee-based navigation and tracking service. You may view a copy of the lawsuit by clicking the following link: Verizon BlackBerry Class-Action Complaint (1MB PDF).


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    WOW, I guess nothing happened from this yet though, I dunno.
    TY, yeah I contacted that firm, waiting for a response.

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    I sent a message to them last nite linking back to this thread. I haven't heard anything back yet.

    I am beginning to feel like this actually could be illegal not just fradulant. It seems like it violates the Position, Navigation, and Timing Policy.
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    It could take another year before it gets finalized. Glad to see it is happening though.

    Zo

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    Yeah it is not fair. I am also contacting some people in my area.

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    I just spoke to David Vaughn with
    National Executive Committee for Space-Based PNT
    Herbert C. Hoover Building, Rm. 6822 · 14th & Constitution Ave., NW · Washington, D.C. 20230
    Phone: (202) 482-5809 · Fax: (202) 482-4429 · PNT.Office@PNT.gov

    He stated that Verizon has chosen to control the GPS abilities from a User Interface stand point. I wasn't really sure what that meant. I told him the PNT Policy states that GPS services are free to end users. He advised me to contact Verizon for more info. Other than that, he was pretty helpful.

    Not quite the response I was looking for however.
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    Just called Verizon, and spoke to a customer support rep. I told her I had questions about the GPS built into my phone. She replied, "so you have questions about VZnavigator?" I said, "no, questions I have pertain to the GPS that is built into my BlackBerry, that you have crippled." I then told her to go to PNT.gov for info about the service being free. She said she would escalate my concerns and email me info.

    We'll see what comes back, probably a fluff email.
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    ~via BB (wap.pinstack.com)~great research everyone! I was thinking it must be done at RIMs level or loading say a Roger's OS would fix it right?

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    From CrackBerry in a GPS thread:
    (http://forums.crackberry.com/f61/gps...79/index4.html)
    "I was talking to a RIM tech about another advanced problem we were having with another carrier's Pearl and when I asked him about the 8830 GPS from Verizon he indicated that "The carrier disabled the GPS" in this case. When I asked him specifically where this is controlled (OS or otherwise) he indicated that each RIM device comes as a "shell" which then each provider builds/enables/disables it's capabilities via Service Books and sometimes through OS updates."
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    I just want to add this about internet petitions. I personally don't believe they do any good. I think this answer is well thought out.

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp

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    Still reading the 50 page almost one year old thread over at Crackberry.com regarding this ongoing GPS-CDMA train wreck that

    Verizon rep gives this as a reason for disabling the GPS

    "We apologize for any inconvenience our decision to disable the GPS functionality on the Blackberry 8830 may have caused you. As stated in our previous response, this is to alleviate concerns regarding access to data by malicious applications and misuse of location information."

    More info: from Verizon and that same end user playing email tag.

    We are not saying that the GPS feature with other carriers is not secure but we require additional security. Our location-based service requires customers to choose to be identified by a GPS service before the user?s location is shared.
    It is the best way to protect customers and minimize the potential for "man in the middle" attacks. The Verizon Wireless Location Service encrypts the customer location information in the device before transmitting it to the network. Verizon Wireless requires all location requests be authenticated before the handset or network can obtain a customer?s location information.

    Verizon Wireless supports Assisted GPS (AGPS) rather than stand-alone GPS like some others use. AGPS uses the Verizon Wireless Network to provide more accurate, faster location information, in addition to better navigation performance indoors and in dense urban areas. At launch, we elected not to implement other applications because of the overall impact they could have on the device?s performance.

    In general the BlackBerry 8830's GPS chip is used to provide the handset's
    location to emergency responders when placing 911 calls. It does not provide any user accessible functionality such as location information for directions, mapping or any other application at this time.

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    and more:

    Verizon Wireless chose not to offer the GPS mapping tool offered by RIM on the Blackberry 8830 for a number of reasons. Historically, we have always taken a pragmatic approach when allowing location based services on any Verizon Wireless device. We test phones and applications more than other carriers and the RIM GPS mapping tool has not passed our testing for security and performance. We plan to offer Verizon Wireless’ VZ Navigator and a number of third party GPS based applications for the BlackBerry 8830 later this year once the services pass our testing. It is important that we use applications that have been tested and approved because it directly impacts the level of performance as well as the assistance customers can expect when they call Verizon Wireless Tech Support.
    Last edited by j llama; 04-14-2008 at 06:57 PM.
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    well i think thats bull. the customer is paying for a GPS-enabled phone, and they paid for the actual physical phone. why cant they use the GPS? because someone thinks its a bad idea?

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    so in other words...more literal words...verizon wants you to pay to use GPS...and after you pay...once you have GPS enabled...THEN that malicious software can access such info off your phone? BS that doesnt even make sense.

    if they were so worried about malicious software they should create an IT policy or some sort of protection to prevent that software to access such information on your phone...oh wait...BB already thought of that with the firewall permission settings.

    i'd like to hear verizon's response to that...
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    oh and id like to add one more thing that seems to be relevant regarding verizon's false reasoning...

    i have an 8100...and i have the new Google Maps application.

    this app has an option called "My Location"...from which you can get directions from the exact spot you are standing to the destination of your choice.

    FREE SERVICE meant to be FOR the customers...not to make money OFF OF the customers.
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    Interesting little tidbit about Verizon:

    We went to a meeting they invited independent dealers to one time. At the time they had a max deposit of $1000 for those with bad credit. The question was posed "Why does Verizon have the highest deposit and strictest credit requirements in the industry?" Answer from the VP present "Because we can."

    Zo

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